So is there a reason we can't see our composites?

<p>"And the truth is that very few agencies are as open as the College Board is in this regard. It's their system. You pay money to be a part of their system, and they shouldn't be compelled to share any more or any less about their methodologies than required by law."</p>

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<p>I don't think that's entirely accurate or fair. Look at it this way: The AP tests would hardly get a fraction of their business if it wasn't for the endorsement of public schools, which ARE regulated by the law. In fact, they pretty much rely on public facilities such as schools to administer the tests (and DURING school hours!). As long as their business is so vested as it is in public schools then the public should have some legal say in the operation of their business, unless they want to completely sever their ties with all government-operated facilities.</p>

<p>No matter how endorsed by the public schools they are, they would receive even less of their business if colleges weren't accepting the results. Some colleges have already started to limit the number or types of AP results, and a continuing trend in that direction will hurt the growth of the AP program tremendously as well.</p>

<p>But I think the argument about the endorsement of schools (and I don't limit this to public, as many of the private schools use them just as often and effectively) making it a public matter is off-point. There are many, many issues that are a significant part of the public education, some of which are not within the discretion of the public.</p>

<p>For instance, No Child Left Behind mandates that military branches have access to student lists for recruitment purposes, a measure which has met with some controversy when discovered by the public. Yet, the public has very little recourse in a manner such as this, as it is part of legislation, and challenging the legislation in court would be prohibitively costly. It would also probably be ineffective to challenge such legislation with the presence of its opt-out clause, if you know about it.</p>

<p>But even in the more day-to-day issues of public schools, how much do you have a right to know? Do you have a right to know how tests are created? Do you have a right to in-depth reasoning as to how the tests are scored? Do you have a right to know how or if assessments are curved? Or why?</p>

<p>And at what point do we say, "Hey, this is something that we have professionals doing, we should let them do their job."?</p>

<p>Education is kind of a funny thing. Everybody's been in school, therefore everybody feels inclined to be some kind of expert about how schools should be run. This despite the fact that schools have to rapidly adapt to the changing conditions of increased collegiate requirements and technology advancing faster than one could possibly adapt.</p>

<p>Let's take two other functions that the government has: taxes and roads.</p>

<p>When it comes to roads, very few people involve themselves in the process of where roads are created, how they're created, and how wide they will be. Sure, they'll have town meetings sometimes, and some folks are involved in these to get or give input, but these folks are the folks who are directly impacted. Similarly, the AP folks get significant input from the readers at the AP exams, consisting of the high school teachers who teach the courses and the college professors who inherit students who supposedly have mastered these skills. They also ultimately get input from students, based on the quesitons that get answered (or don't) and from the surveys distributed. But what does the average high school student know about these topics, when it comes to writing questions and deciding scoring? I'm guessing this experience is typically pretty limited in the vast majority of cases.</p>

<p>Similarly, when it comes to our tax dollars, while there are "reports" of information regarding their usage, and various watchdog groups that keep an eye on the spending of tax dollars, what do we as private citizens really know? What can we get access to? I think that without a serious amount of digging that there is probably not as much information as we would want on the vast majority of issues. At that point, it's gotten to the point of being beyond the availability of the average taxpayer.</p>

<p>Should this be the case? Perhaps not. Is it the case? I'm afraid so.</p>

<p>So while I think it's a noble idea that the public should have the availability to be involved in a number of "public" affairs, the public has very limited access to a number of things without a significant investment in time, energy, money, or a combination of these. Some would argue that this is wrong, and I might not entirely disagree with them.</p>

<p>But at the same time, there have to be certain things that are kept from the public (or at least not announced and discussed with the public prior to acting). Not because they lack the intelligence to handle the issue, but rather because the consultation of the public on minor issues simply would take too much time. It's one of the reasons why we have elected officials. </p>

<p>Frankly, I think the College Board shares a fair amount of information regarding their practices, scoring, and methods.</p>

<p>Would knowing the composites make their practices any more effective or meaningful? My take, as much as I would be curious to see them, is that the answer is no.</p>

<p>With apologies for wordiness.</p>

<p>can u buy an extra report for it if you want?</p>

<p>Because of the multiple free-response questions with subjective grading, a slightly better composite score might not be any better than a slightly worse one. The College Board set boundaries where they felt they could define an individual's performance as significantly different. Although, I do believe 6s should exist as scoring a 5 with a 72% is a totally different experience and represents a totally different knowledge of the material as opposed to scoring a 5 with a 98%.</p>

<p>why not go to 7 like IB
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I do not know the scales or grading methodolgies of IBO--even though I took 2exams this year</p>

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<p>Long story short, IB grading methodologies are much more complex than AP grading methodologies. Many things apart from the exam itself are taken into account when calculating your final mark, and, as such, IB grading systems cannot be compared to AP grading systems.</p>

<p>But, either way, I don't think they should reveal composite scores. Like many of the previous posters said, many people would shoot for 100%, which is next to impossible. Also, college AP credit policies would definitely go up, and a large amount of students would suffer.</p>

<p>why dont they do it like the ACT and show you MC and FRQ, but colleges only see 1-5?</p>

<p>i thought about this for some time but then i come with a solution thats quite obvious, who really cares about that composite score, yes your curious and sure as heck you should but in the long run it will not make anything better only worse, see if you got a four and then you saw your a point away from a five you would be very angry saying you wasted all those points and would be very angry, tell me thats not true, who would reallllly be happy with .5 or 1 raw point away from a 5, or any cut of score, ap constintly say that trhere like a grade level so if 5 is an A lets leave it at that my school which has number grades doesnt even post it on the transcript, so how is CB any worse (except the darn registration rules), plus the worst thing would be a huge competishion in credit give away and admissions, it would be as crazy as the SAT oh i got 770, but i got 780 who cares you guessed one extra question your proctor gave you a minute less, (i had that on every exam), you sneezed you coughed you sleeped to little you neeeded to run to the bathroom, stuff always happns and the ap test is so overall graded that one exam determines your score so let it be on that 1-5 scale no need for those 780's and 770's to get bogled down.</p>

<p>that's one long-ass sentence XD</p>

<p>Basically, I would really like to know at least how I did on my three essays! I mean come on. . . can it hurt to see the 1-9 score (comments would be even better) for them?</p>

<p>"The top 17% of students on the SAT is about a 2000+."</p>

<p>What are you basing this off of? Because I'm almost absolutely positive that you are completely wrong.</p>

<p>^^ I am, too. Assuming the SAT is normally distributed (and I'm reasonably certain that it is), 16% of students score above a 600 on each section, and while there probably is some overlap among these students, it's not total. Even if it were total overlap, 16% of the students would score 1800+, not 2000+.</p>

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<p>It wouldn't hurt you to see the 1-9 score, but it would hurt the Collegeboard. They'd have to document all of the specific essay scores and/or comments, which would cost money. It would also take more time to organize all the scores. Come on now, we don't want our beloved Collegeboard going bankrupt ;)</p>

<p>question: I thought if we paid an extra $15 we can see it.. and after reading this thread im beginning to doubt this</p>

<p>If I'm paying them almost $100 per test, I feel like I deserve a little more feedback. They can make copies of your SAT essay available for free online to you. So what's so challenging about typing a few more numbers onto that report?</p>

<p>i dont think they write comments so to add them would just add hours of work to the grading of thousands of papers. but of course, it would be great to get that.</p>

<p>i wish there was a way to know how i did and get a composite score, but unfortunately, i really dont think it would be to the benefit of anyone. furthermore, i dont know if im right in thinking this, but the purpose of the AP exam is to show mastering of a concept. like the sat example above, does a 780 mean that you've mastered the content more than a 760? i dont think so and for credit i think the 1-5 system is very suitable. </p>

<p>i will not deny, however, that those who score extremely high fives are at a slight disadvantage. but it doesn't really matter because schools do not use AP scores to determine admission, its usually SATs and SAT IIs. APs are for CREDIT!</p>

<p>ye at first the idea seems good, cause we'll be able to compare and see who gets a higher 5 and stuff, but it would be pretty bad for college competition. JUst take your 5 and be satisfied that you got the highest possible grade.</p>

<p>Comments are not written on the essays.</p>

<p>Composites would be just as misinterpreted as SAT scores. A 780 is not better than a 760. On the next exam, the student who earned a 760 could earn an 800 and the student who earned a 780 a 760, and there' STILL be no difference between their scores. The colleges understand this. The students on CC don't.</p>

<p>An 800 is not a "perfect" score, nor is a composite, say of 150 on an AP Biology test. It's just the highest reportable score.</p>

<p>When the AP essays are scanned in the same way as the SAT essays (not for a while yet) you will probably have access to your essays to compare with the scoring guide in August. For now, the essays are all hand sorted and scored. </p>

<p>Getting a 3, 4 or 5 means you have mastered college-level material to certain degrees.</p>

<p>Your college can request your essay, and your school can request all the essays left over after the colleges have the one they want, but neither request is free. Both cost money.</p>

<p>Your score on a given essay is meaningless without knowing the percentiles, and even then, based on what I've seen on cc, most students will misinterpret their raw essay score.</p>