so, what is YOUR confidence in the banking system?

<p>I have a substantial amount of scholarship money plus a good season's wages sitting in my bank account. To me, the only real advantage of keeping that in there is the convenience of online-banking and buying cheap stuff off of eBay.</p>

<p>And according to a recent Rasmussen poll, 66% of people have essentially no consumer confidence.</p>

<p>Having watched my bank's stock plummet 60% in the last month, and not knowing if FDIC really has the funds to cover 300 million Americans, and having watched bank after bank collapse, would it be wise to pull out before this crisis starts affecting commercial banking?</p>

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<p>"But how do all these bank failures affect you? No big deal as long as your money is FDIC-insured right? Yes and no. As this credit crisis continues, it won't take long before the FDIC runs out of funding! There is approximately $53B available for bank failures and IndyMac has already consumed about $8B of it. So it could be entirely possible that the FDIC experiences funding problems in the near term which could be trouble for millions of depositors. The banking system is all about confidence. So if that confidence is lost, this could lead into a massive global bank run which obviously is not a desirable situation. But I think this scenario is highly unlikely as the government will not allow the FDIC to fail. The only viable solution is to print more dollars to fund FDIC on an as needed basis which eventually will drive the value of the dollar even lower! So yes, you'll get your insured money back, but quite frankly, the value of your money won't amount to much since price inflation would be rampant by then."</p>

<p>Financial</a> Cents: What Happens to the U.S. Dollar if the FDIC Fails?</p>

<p>Seriously though? I'm prepared for a massive bank run. I've already figured out the locations to the ATMs owned by banks where I have money (although if I was really desperate, I could just run to the nearest Citibank and withdraw money from both banks) and I'm not spreading money out anywhere so that I'll be easily able to get cash out. I'm also thinking about buying precious metals. </p>

<p>I have zero confidence in the banking system. I'm thinking about diverting money to some other country (i.e. Switzerland maybe).</p>

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I'm thinking about diverting money to some other country (i.e. Switzerland maybe).

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<p>Europe is preparing for a bank run as well. Try Asia.</p>

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Seriously though? I'm prepared for a massive bank run. I've already figured out the locations to the ATMs owned by banks where I have money (although if I was really desperate, I could just run to the nearest Citibank and withdraw money from both banks) and I'm not spreading money out anywhere so that I'll be easily able to get cash out. I'm also thinking about buying precious metals.

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<p>You do realize that most bank accounts have daily limits as to how much you can take out from an ATM, right?</p>

<p>Also, I like how this whole thing is artificially inflating the price of precious metals and making some of my experiments considerably more expensive to run once we have to reorder. :mad:</p>

<p>Don't use big banks...try credit unions. I haven't seen too many of those in the news...</p>

<p>My grandpa had a 10K college fund for me, now it is considerably less. He believes the economy will pick up eventually, I can't say I believe him.</p>

<p>this thread is ridiculous, honestly.</p>

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I have a substantial amount of scholarship money plus a good season's wages sitting in my bank account. To me, the only real advantage of keeping that in there is the convenience of online-banking and buying cheap stuff off of eBay

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<p>Where else would you put it? A jar in your backyard? You are using scholarship money to buy things off ebay?</p>

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<p>honestly... think about how stupid the average american is. think about it.</p>

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<p>the FDIC guarantees all money up to $250,000 (it was $100,000, but it increased with the bailout bill... without charging banks more money for the increased coverage, but that is another thread. if you want more coverage, you pay a higher premium... that's how insurance works. See if you can get more health insurance without paying more). So, unless you have more than $250,000 in your bank account, it will all be covered. Period. Do you honestly think the federal government will fail?</p>

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and having watched bank after bank collapse, would it be wise to pull out before this crisis starts affecting commercial banking?

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banks collapse every year. Why would you pull out of the banks? Explain your reasoning. What would be the positives? If you can't list the positives, then there is no reason to take your money out. As has been stated, your money is insured and backed by the federal government.</p>

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"But how do all these bank failures affect you? No big deal as long as your money is FDIC-insured right? Yes and no. As this credit crisis continues, it won't take long before the FDIC runs out of funding! There is approximately $53B available for bank failures and IndyMac has already consumed about $8B of it. So it could be entirely possible that the FDIC experiences funding problems in the near term which could be trouble for millions of depositors. The banking system is all about confidence. So if that confidence is lost, this could lead into a massive global bank run which obviously is not a desirable situation. But I think this scenario is highly unlikely as the government will not allow the FDIC to fail. The only viable solution is to print more dollars to fund FDIC on an as needed basis which eventually will drive the value of the dollar even lower! So yes, you'll get your insured money back, but quite frankly, the value of your money won't amount to much since price inflation would be rampant by then."</p>

<p>Financial Cents: What Happens to the U.S. Dollar if the FDIC Fails?

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<p>Your are quoting a blogspot.com post for national economic advice, from an SQA Engineer. That said, he states simple facts from introductory macroeconomics, including that the FDIC will not be allowed to fail. However, his post fails when he leaves the world of facts you can learn in textbooks and he starts looking for real world solutions. The federal government takes in roughly $2,700 BILLION ($2,700,000,000,000) per year in revenue, and state governments take in another $1,500 BILLION ($1,500,000,000,000), and local governments another $1,100 BILLION ($1,100,000,000,000) (remember this next time someone wants to raise taxes). Money can be moved from other projects to cover the banks. Banks are the foundation of the US economic system. They will not be allowed to fail as an industry. The ones who do badly will fail, and people will get their insurance, and the failed banks will be bought by others if there is something worth buying (see WellsFargo and Citibank fighting over who got to take on the assets of the "failed" Wachovia).</p>

<p>And, if the solution is to "print more money" (which it obviously should not be), then you will feel the results of the inflation whether or not your money is in the bank. It will make no difference.</p>

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Seriously though? I'm prepared for a massive bank run. I've already figured out the locations to the ATMs owned by banks where I have money (although if I was really desperate, I could just run to the nearest Citibank and withdraw money from both banks) and I'm not spreading money out anywhere so that I'll be easily able to get cash out.

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<p>you haven't thought this plan all the way through. Have you also hired someone to stand by the ATMs 24/7 who all have access to your information so they can get your money out for you as soon as you send a mass text message giving them the 'go' signal?</p>

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I'm also thinking about buying precious metals.

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<p>have you looked at a graph for precious metal prices over the past 10-20 years? If you look at one, and still think that now is the time to buy... I don't know what to tell you. "Buy low, sell high". Not "buy high, and hope it goes higher".</p>

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I have zero confidence in the banking system. I'm thinking about diverting money to some other country (i.e. Switzerland maybe).

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<p>While swiss bank accounts are known for their stability, if you think the banks there will be unaffected by an economic collapse of the world's largest and most influential economy (USA), IMO you are misguided.</p>

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My grandpa had a 10K college fund for me, now it is considerably less. He believes the economy will pick up eventually, I can't say I believe him.

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<p>Look at the long term graph of the stock market</p>

<p>Just because the US economy hasn't totally collapsed in the past 80 years doesn't mean it won't. It's a perfectly valid question.</p>

<p>Credit unions eff tee dub.</p>

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You are using scholarship money to buy things off ebay?

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<p>No, it's a combination of wages and scholarship money, silly. :p And a bit of aid from my mother. I'm using scholarship money to pay my tuition in installments.... I'm also trying to attempting to have a large enough fund to make a big dent in the principals of my loans upon graduating ....</p>

<p>Also, I buy school-related items. Like, an optical mouse for 1 dollar (+ 2.99 shipping), clothespins, buying used textbooks (generally more on Amazon though) and spending half of what I would spend at the school bookstore. I also ordered my laptop from eBay -- 700 dollars for a dual-core Centrino laptop with ATI Radeon 2600 + 200 dollars cashback. I'm also considering ordering more underwear through eBay. Really. They tend to have better prices than downtown.</p>

<p>Of course, I move my funds to a credit union, I will have none of that convenience.

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Do you honestly think the federal government will fail?

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<p>I don't think it's invincible.</p>

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Look at the long term graph of the stock market

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<p>There's no real inherent utility in stock except to find another buyer, or if you actually have enough, to control the company, or to make a profit off of someone who wants to buy your stock to control the company. If most of the other buyers are also resellers -- well, it's obviously all a scam, isn't it?</p>

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Of course, I move my funds to a credit union, I will have none of that convenience.

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<p>Is a credit union's bank account or checking account any different than a normal bank's?</p>

<p>Online banking is non-existent.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.cefcuonline.org/site/services_pc_access.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;https://www.cefcuonline.org/site/services_pc_access.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Perhaps it's time to find a new credit union that's gotten with the times?</p>

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Within the next four years? when I need the money?</p>

<p>I use a credit card for online (and most of my in-store) purchasing. I keep track of my account on my credit union's website and pay the bill over the phone. It's rare that I ever actually visit the credit union.</p>

<p>What an absolutely ridiculous thread. Soccerguy answered all your questions correctly, the federal government will not fail. And futureNYUstudent's post is not only stupid from an investor's standpoint, but from every other standpoint as well.</p>

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<p>Why are you so sure? Blind patriotic pride? It also has tens of trillions of dollars of public debt that it will never be able to pay off ... as I see it, it'll only continue to skyrocket, along with the interest payments...</p>

<p>Wow, this is an absolute ridiculous thread. You guys are acting like it's the Great Depression of the 1930s. I suggest you take a look at this week's TIME article by Niall Fergurson (sp.) that discussed the possiblity of "Depression 2.0." He compares the two situations- 1929 and 2008. Bottom line: FDR put in a lot of safeguards in 1933-1938 that would prevent another depression. They're not recession proof but these days seem to be testing the measures like FDIC and Social Security. And we are NOT going to have a "Great Depression." </p>

<p>You really need to keep the money in the banks- that's what FDR said. People did start putting their cash in and the banks started working again by 1934. The banks can't operate without cash from their depositers. Also your money is safer- it's FDIC insured and what happens if someone came into your dorm room and stole that envelope? Or if it got burned?</p>

<p>The other thing you can do- you mentioned that you have scholarship money in your account for future tutition payments. You are ALLOWED to deposit it all now and build credit in your student account so you don't have to pay again for a while.</p>