<p>lol wow murky water...sorry about the chip on your shoulder</p>
<p>Hey, I am not exactly just targeting him. I'm a white male, have similar stats as him, probably won't be accepted to any of those schools, but I realize that I cannot do anything about it.</p>
<p>beefs, you should see some of the responses on my threads. You'd understand why I feel so bad about it :[</p>
<p>I just don't think it's fair how two-faced some CCers are, praising URMs with obviously SUBPAR scores compared to the average, while they completely slam Asian-Americans/Whites with similar scores. It's disgusting and I'm sick of it. Yeah, people can say that chances are better with URM status -- but saying that this person was actually more academically qualified than non-URMs with better scores? Treating URMs better simply because they've got laurels is sickening and a trend that needs to stop.</p>
<p>It's clear that the OP was accepted only because of his race.</p>
<p>It shouldn't make you feel any more "uncomfortable" than it makes those who got in because their uncle is a congressman, their mom and dad write large alumni checks, their father is a player in Hollywood, they play with a ball really,really well , or whatever. Be proud, go, do well, be happy and don't look back.</p>
<p>LOL
you are URM for one thing.........</p>
<p>Mruky, I would say congrats to you if you got in, but you didn't tough luck. Not everyone is lucky, what are you gonna do. Change the system if you can, but complaining won't do a damn thing.</p>
<p>I'm a junior, I haven't applied yet :P I've only gotten harsh, severe criticism from people on this site. Compare this to the superficial praise that some URMs get on this site, it's disgusting. Treating me harshly simply because I'm Asian-American is racist. People on this site are telling URMs that their achievements are "stellar". "Stellar" in a small, bubble of people that are accepted based on their race [which has nothing to do with achievement] in comparison to everyone else, which includes people who may have had extreme disadvantages but were not "gifted at birth" with a race that was favorable to college admissions like the OP was. </p>
<p>I'm not going to stand by in apathy. If I get into the college of my choice, it will be because of my merit alone, not by race. Sorry that the OP could not prove himself -- the universities decided his race was enough. I have changed the system before by eliminating rank at my old high school. I'm not a person that stands by and does nothing. ;-)</p>
<p>Honestly, please stop with the whole "I want to be black so I can get into college" and related inflammatory crap. It is really quite offensive to the entire spectrum of CC contributors. I'm dead serious, it very much hurts the feelings of many, and it damages the "social fabric" on this forum, however ethereal it is. </p>
<p>Please, think before you type. Many of us have just had enough. If you have mean, acerbic, vitriolic, harmful, or insensitive thoughts about others, please keep them to yourself.</p>
<p>I also think that the OP of this thread should not have initiated this line of discussion. It may have been innocent, but one should have known that it would instigate this kind of response.</p>
<p>well, obviously the OP wasn't accepted only because of his race because his stats show that he is more than qualified to handle the work at those schools. And he either had extremely strong reccs or stellar essays because once you get up to schools of that caliber, even the URM pool is so strong that you have to stand out to be accepted. </p>
<p>I also think that if the OP isn't a troll (which i suspect he is because african american was the very first thing he listed on his stats) he left out some other details, fabricated or not, that he put on his application. (maybe he was founder of the anime club, or won some competitions, or was a scholar-athlete).</p>
<p>I think it's kind of sad that peoples first response is "well, i'm not surprised, you got to be born african american you lucky!" That's a really short-sighted view of the situation. </p>
<p>BUT if you look at average thats at those colleges, scores like that would fall in around the lower 25%, so probably just under 25% of students have stats like that, but those are the ones that aren't in any way strong admits, they just get in by a crap shoot. Whites and (not so much) Asians get in with those kind of stats too; but they can never COUNT on getting in.</p>
<p>So the OP could stand the work in those colleges, he would just probably be in the bottom 15%, and there's always going to be a bottom 15%. Colleges didn't decide his "race was enough", it just probably tipped him when he was competing against other students who would fall in the bottom 15%.</p>
<p>And don't belittle the OP's achievements, just because he didn't write a novel at age 5 or attend some $2000 camp doesn't mean he'd be any less apt of a college student. Just because you feel insecure about your accomplishments doesn't mean that his are any less.</p>
<p>But I still think that the OP is a troll or is looking to taunt people while hiding it.</p>
<p>I'm sorry I am going to have to report this thread. It just cannot continue in this capacity, and I hope everyone here can agree to that.</p>
<p>"Please, think before you type. Many of us have just had enough. If you have mean, acerbic, vitriolic, harmful, or insensitive thoughts about others, please keep them to yourself."</p>
<p>There are CCers who treat non-URMs the same way. In fact, I find this more common than treating URMs unfairly. Both are wrong, but instead of jumping around the issue, I think it's easier to simply be frank with the OP and say that he got in because of his race -- he listed it first, he's obviously a troll and his scores are subpar. Think of all the rejected people with better stats than his (including URMs with better scores than him).</p>
<p>Sorry, I don't see how we're being inflammatory. Unlike people who say that he may have had "excellent essays" or "recommendations", how is this any different than other URMs who had excellent essays, recommendations, better scores, GPA, leadership positions, etc.?</p>
<p>His ECs make him qualified? He has 6 ECs, no relationships between them, no leadership positions listed and several of them are generic ECs that many candidates have. </p>
<p>Anyways, good luck to the OP.</p>
<p>even as a URM, op is extremely lucky</p>
<p>his stats are low even for URMs</p>
<p>It is because this thread has become racially charged in a very negative way. It is promoting a misconception about many segments of the student population, and you murkywater are one of those making inflammatory statements. You should know that I have reported this thread multiple times.</p>
<p>Eye for an eye is no longer acceptable, especially in this context. You must be sure that other people are not offended by your remarks.</p>
<p>ok, you've asked a similar question in a different thread, and gotten it answered but anyway, Colleges consider everything you submit, your essays, ec's and things that make you stand out as a person.</p>
<p>My pov is that u know why you got in, u worked hard and earned it. Its kind of sad that your friends and fam are more excited than you about ur acceptance...</p>
<p>Being african american myself, i can tell you that i've felt uncomfortable about it too, when classmates of mine tell me that I have a better shot come admission time because of my race. However, many of my friends who are seniors and minorities with great stats (much better than mine) were rejected from many elite institutions despite being minorities. All i can make of it is that trying to analyze what kind of stats and combinations lead to admission and applying it to urself is a waste of time after a certain point because each individual situation is different.</p>
<p>But yea, congrats and make the most of your opportunities, doubting urself will only lead to failure</p>
<p>tokyorevelation9, I'm not seeking retribution for what people have said to me. I'm saying that the treatment that I have received is ridiculous in comparison to the OP, who people are saying is "stellar".</p>
<p>I'm not the only one who believes that the OP's acceptance was helped in large part due to their race. There are many, many people on here that do. I'm sorry if I offended the OP in any way -- he himself doesn't understand why he was accepted, suggesting that he believes his academic achievements were not enough. I'm not saying he is a bad student -- I have not said this. He seems subpar compared to the applicant pool.</p>
<p>I am simply saying that it's unfair considering how many brilliant applicants are applying, that some statistics suggest that URMs are getting into schools at 20 to 30 times the rate that other non-URMs are. It's clear that the OP's acceptance was helped by his race.</p>
<p>"It is because this thread has become racially charged in a very negative way. It is promoting a misconception about many segments of the student population, and you murkywater are one of those making inflammatory statements. You should know that I have reported this thread multiple times."</p>
<p>What? Promoting what misconceptions? URMs are helped in college admissions. That is a fact. Are you simply ignorant of statistics or what? If you read Grutter v. Bollinger, you'll see that African Americans were accepted at U of M's law school 433 times the rate of White applicants. If that isn't enough for you, then I don't know what is. And I'm not promoting any misconception. If the OP had better stats, I would not have come to the same conclusion.</p>
<p>You don't have to believe it if you don't want. I don't think that the OP is a bad student incapable of academic success. I think the opposite -- they were picked. However, I believe the OP was less academically qualified compared to non-URMs with better stats. And if you're going to report this thread, why not report mine, where people are making ridiculous assumptions based on the fact that I'm Asian American? It seems like you don't take action unless it's a URM that's being told that they are less academically qualified.</p>
<p>Anyways, I'm sorry that I've offended anyone.</p>
<p>Ok, that sentiment is valid, but you have to understand that when I was reading your previous posts starting from the very beginning, the statements you made were quite offensive. I'm glad you apologized, but I have already reported this thread in excess of seven times. We have to try and avoid this sort of thing, or else I will find it and report it.</p>
<p>Thanks for the apology, remember you are entitled to your opinion, that's guaranteed, but you do not have the right to hatefully insult others, even if isn't direct.</p>
<p>They aren't offensive if you look at published statistics online, several arguments made, Supreme Court cases such as Bakke and Grutter v. Bollinger. This is FACT. I'm not promoting any negative misconception. URMs are helped -- this is based on FACT.</p>
<p>Anyways, I'm glad you understand where I was coming from.</p>
<p>I'm an URM and a find the responses a little insulting. If you want to debate AA, GO TO THE DESIGNATED TOPIC IN THE CC CAFE!!!! I'm tired of jaded teenagers taking potshots at people. It's one thing to mention that he's a URM and that was a big factor in him getting in, it's an entirely different thing to express disgust with him or point out what you perceive as flaws in the status quo. This topic is not some deep reflection on the educational system, it is simply a reflection of his own puzzlement at his success.</p>
<p>Congratulations, and don't let these people demean you.</p>
<p>"It's one thing to mention that he's a URM and that was a big factor in him getting in, it's an entirely different thing to express disgust with him or point out what you perceive as flaws in the status quo. This topic is not some deep reflection on the educational system, it is simply a reflection of his own puzzlement at his success."</p>
<p>I'm not expressing disgust with the OP. I was expressing disgust at the hypocrisy that CCers exhibit when faced with two similar applicants (one a non-URM) and how different their reactions are. Yes, we should congratulate the OP. But we should also congratulate non-URMs who have also had similar accomplishments. I just don't see enough of that in CC.</p>
<p>And a lot of people assumed that the OP was a troll, FYI.</p>
<p>"I'm not expressing disgust with the OP."</p>
<p>Then there is no need to defend yourself.</p>