To get costs down…with big Div I football…
U of New Mexico
Boise State
FAU
Univ of South Alabama
U South Dakota
U Missouri makes it easy to get instate the following year…IF YOU STRICTLY follow their instructions, including staying there over summer and working.
At Bama, they’d be full pay OOS.
“No offense, but “big time football” should be towards the bottom of the list of factors when deciding to pick a college.”
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We took DS to visit/interview at Bama. The school exceeded expectation in every way.
We stayed an extra day to attend the football game the next day. The whole town came alive, and it was very exciting. Sitting in the stadium at the 50 yard line, DS grinned to us & said he could see himself going to that school.
We’re going to a game when we go visit his brother at Temple next month. He’s never been to a college game, although he’s been to a few NFL games. He’s also attended countless Washington Nationals games, so he’s no stranger to big time athletics.
Oklahoma State…good out of state aid.
Two things I didn’t mention: he doesn’t like extreme heat, and he’s very liberal politically.
Avoid Oklahoma State if he’s very liberal politically. @whenhen for recent stories. Ditto for Utah - conservative in a different way (LDS ethos).
Appalachian State may work - they have merit aid for decent but not superstar stats (although their best merit goes to ACT 34/4.0 kids, they have lots of smaller scholarships).
Mizzou is an obvious choice, especially since instate tuition can be had if he follows instructions.
You can explore the possibility of…
Montana State
FAU
FIU
Ball State
Cal State Fresno
SDSU (reach)
WKU
Texas State (match/safety, and Texas football)
ODU
Georgia Southern (if he can resist the appeal of a series of bars accross the street from the dorms, which help explain the disastrous graduation rate compared to entering stats)
UF OOS tuition is $28,000 per year, so it is not inexpensive, and OOS merit is hard to come by not predictable. USF and UCF are around $18,000, while FSU is around $23,000. OOS merit is also somewhat more generous and more predictable than at UF.
With those stats and “Big Time Football” or P5 football as a concern, he should look at the deep south, the plains and western states. Mizzou in particular is desperate for students.
Extreme heat is avoided during 90%+ of the school year at many southern schools. It’s hot in the summer when school is out. Fall, winters, and spring are usually very nice!
Oklahoma State...good out of state aid.
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? Do you mean merit??
I mean what does he want to study? That should be in the conversation before paying out of state tuition for D1 football. I’m going to take a wild guess and say this kid is not going choose a very rigorous major.
@ryanPA, that may not be an accurate assumption. He hasn’t always been the most motivated student, but when he wants to do well in a class he does. He’s not going to have a problem finding a major at a school large enough to have a Division 1 football program. There are states with lower tuition costs and larger amounts of merit aid, which could bring the cost down. OOS does not always mean more expensive.
@mstomper Yes but not to be rude, but public schools in general don’t give much in the way of merit scholarship unless the student has stellar grades and test scores. All I’m saying is your 20-25k doesn’t even knock out most public schools OOS tuition, not to mention room and board, and other fees that can quickly add up to around 45k. Is going to a good football school really worth 60-80k in debt? And that’s if it only takes him 4 years which considering he may not know what he wants to do yet it may take him 5.
@ryanPA Not to be rude here either, but there are states where that isn’t the case. I came in knowing some schools where it would work, and was just trying to see if I had overlooked any. No, going to a good football school isn’t worth 60-80K in debt. I argue that no school is.
@mstomper yes that is true, that why I said “most public school.” But not to knock you’re kid but his scores are decent but they aren’t outstanding. I mean I hope he proves me wrong and gets a big scholarship from a good school but I think you will find that it will prove difficult. Also, consider what my brother who plans to attend Clemson from OOS is doing. Many big colleges have local community colleges that they have agreements with. They knock out their pre-reqs at the community college while they establish residency. Then given they maintain decent grades they transfer to the main campus after their sophomore year. This way you save money with community college and get in state tuition. I highly suggest considering this.
Not really true. Football at ECU is big time compared to Wake Forrest. They have a great game day experience and much better fan support despite not getting FSU, Clemson and Miami coming to town.
I would much rather be a fan of Houston this year than Indiana any time in the last 20 years. Beating FSU and Oklahoma in back to back years is ‘big time’ in my book. Is it really big time to lose to Michigan and OSU every year?
There are a lot of “non-power” conference schools that put a good product on the field and have very good fan support.
OP, if he can bring the grades and SAT up a little, FSU does offer full and partial OOS waivers.
@ryanPA, if he decides he really wants that kind of school he can go the CC route. We’re in MD, so there’s guaranteed transfer. If he gets his grades/scores up there’s a slight chance he could get accepted to UMD, but that’s it for big time football in our state. If he decides none of the choices work for him, that’s fine with us. There are plenty of good options out there.
@ryanPA, most states don’t let you get instate tuition rates if you moved there solely for educational reasons. Also residency of a dependent student is usually determined by where parents live.
COA of Kent State for example is about $30,000, after $10k merit, it would be $20k
@ryanPA : check residency requirements. In many states, a student is a resident of the state where his/her parents live. In more generous states, the way to establish residency is by working full time for a year, registering to vote, switching driver’s license/plates - any enrollment in any educational institution negates any right to residency. Your brother, at least, will have to postpone college for a year before he enrolls in community college.