South Florida building collapse

This is just terrible. I have never wanted to live in a high rise and this just confirms my preference. There’s a high rise in San Francisco that was condemned a few years ago IIRC because it was sinking.

So shoddy concrete, salt spray, rebar issues?

If you mean the Millenium Tower, it is not condemned, but needs a $100 million fix (and who knows much was spent on lawyers).

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/SF-s-sinking-Millenium-Tower-to-finally-get-fixed-15439863.php

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There are so many possibilities that there’s no point in speculating.

I will say that I will NEVER buy a condo unit. I’ve heard too many horror stories about poor construction. Developers are trying to make an easy buck and cut corners wherever they can. :frowning:

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There was a highrise in Seattle that got condemned and demolished…

My daughter says the same

Is it possible that there were no warning signs at all that this could happen? You’d think there would be cracks everywhere, inside the units and in the commons areas. No sagging ceilings or floors buckled or anything that could have been seen as red flags???

The reports stated that the building was in the middle of its 40-year recertification. An inspector was on site recently. It does seem odd, though.

Concrete tends to fail brittlely and suddenly if it’s not reinforced properly. Steel tends to bend and deflect more before failure, so there is warning.

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Very sad to hear that there was an engineering report from 2018( that detailed major issues) that was apparently not read (or perhaps ignored?) until this happened. That seems very strange. There is a nearby building with same design, same developer, that may be evacuated to let engineers come in to evaluate it.

Too much local speculation. How years known about the building on sand that was shifting, how the army/navy was doing underwater testing nearby?

I’m on the opposite coast now, so not getting all the local news

I am a lawyer, but I represent 450+ HOA and condominium associations (not in Florida). My concern based on what I see in my practice is deferred maintenance and the inability of the Board and owners to face the reality of maintaining an aging high-rise. I have seen owners in developments vote down necessary assessments to address common element maintenance issues because they don’t want to pay the money. If the news comes out that there’s deferred maintenance and the association didn’t address it and the collapse was the result of such negligence, the fur will fly.

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Yep, and that is why I would never recommend buying a condo.

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A lawsuit was already filed against the HOA. Usually the HOA isn’t where the big bucks are, but the lawyers wanted to get the suit filed ASAP.

So apparently there were some signs that things were amiss, though clearly they didn’t indicate imminent collapse. I wonder what else will come out in the investigation.

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I was wondering about the other buildings in the grouping and eek, they haven’t made the tenants evacuate! They are going to ‘check them out.’

The mayor said he’d be gone and I agree with the mayor - get outta dodge.

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I feel the same, but the problem is that it may not be feasible for many residents. I get that not doing so could lead to loss of life, but if you don’t have a place to go (or if going elsewhere would lead to job loss), and if you don’t have money to pay for a hotel … or if you are elderly/infirm and can’t easily relocate … you don’t have the choices others might have.

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I think the Red Cross would help relocate people in the neighboring buildings. It just seems so dangerous to be in the neighboring (or even connected?) buildings.

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I think that that is a societal obligation. No one should have to stay in a life-threatening situation because of “no choices.”

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I agree, and I do hope that there is a mobilization underway to accomplish this.

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