<p>By HYP, I meant literally Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. I did not mean HYP-type schools or ivies. The vast majority of those who applied to only 1 of the HYP schools also applied to other highly selective colleges. I believe the CA HS data was originally linked to the forum in 2011. The user who posted it says he creates the table each year, so he may have updated the page since then. </p>
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<p>You questioned me on pg 21</p>
<p>Okay @roundup49789, since you are in this group, are you saying you only applied to one among the Ivies, Stanford, UChicago or MIT ?</p>
<p>I responded pg 22</p>
<p>You are correct only one lottery ticket purchased.</p>
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<p>The majority of students do not apply to HY and P but if you want to believe that go ahead.</p>
<p>As I have stated in my earlier post, I will agree to disagree.</p>
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<p>This “fresh off the presses” report would contradict your assertions <a href=“Best Value Colleges | Payscale”>http://www.payscale.com/college-roi/</a></p>
<p>Remember that they don’t just dish out aid up to 180k of income without their full analysis of your aid app. Anyone who has been through this knows the categories they examine. And that there is no superficial view that works. </p>
<p>Also, a kid who knows he’s seriously reaching may act differently than one who is evaluating programs. Data is, I think, suggesting this is all more complex than simply looking at “HYPabc” as some cloud.</p>
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Since we paid full boat for two out of four years, we must be half crazy and half stark raving mad, if you are right. (For the other two years, it was as cheap as attending a directional state u. though due to the “middle class initiative.”)</p>
<p>DS still got PBK and honors at such a school and got into a professional school with need-based FA. Does this make us less crazy?</p>
<p>A couple of DS’s suitmates in college have little interests in making a lot of money after graduation. But their families have zero problem in affording the full boat and they still enjoy their life no matter what job they take and no matter where they live. </p>
<p>BTW, it appears those kids in DS’s freshman year suite who are into a “moneyed” career now used to attend a public high school, i.e., from a family not poor but with a more modest means (say, income level 80k to 130k.) Of course, this may be a coincidence only as the sample size is only 8 students.</p>
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<p>Don’t kid yourself. You are full on all counts. Just because Y changed their policy and started giving you money half way through does not mean you were not full to start with since you were willing to risk it for 4 years. :D</p>
<p>My neighbors think I am mad for having formica countertops instead of a full-on granite kitchen with professional grade appliances. My co-workers think I am mad for driving a Honda (9 years old) when I “should” be driving a Lexus or BMW at my “stage”. My administrative assistant thinks I am mad for buying clothes at Macy’s and Ann Taylor when I “should” be shopping at Saks and Neiman Marcus, like she does.</p>
<p>I’m done with people judging how I spend my money. We were full pay, our kids took advantage of every opportunity that came their way, they are now fully launched into their own careers and have been financially independent since a few weeks after graduating from college. I don’t tell people they are “mad” for sending a tippy top student to our local state U to save money (not a flagship branch and only strong in early elementary Ed and a few other subjects) instead of the flagship or a merit school. They want to go to Aspen for Christmas instead of paying tuition- their kid, their money.</p>
<p>texaspg, We did tell him semi-jokingly that if we run out of money, he needs to transfer back to our public school. Nevertheless, we had never paid so much before this.</p>
<p>Our family mostly shops at discount stores like Walmart/Target/TJ Max. Our “upper-end” store is JC Penny, just because we could not find some clothes (jean?) for DS at a discount store and we feel he needs to dress “better” in his environment. He never owns a Northface (but we did buy him some L.L. Beans for the winter clothes.) </p>
<p>Talking about Walmart, one of DS’s suitemates once got on DS’s nerve by
commenting that all people shopping at Walmart look “depressed.” DS said to him that that store is the store his mom shops regularly.</p>
<p>We have almost never take any vacations. (grand total of one OOS vacation since DS’s birth - and that vacation was partially funded by my BIL.) Our car is a Toyota Corolla and DS still does not own a car at the age of 26 (a major inconvenience for him right now.) But we were once full pay!</p>
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<p>In the vein of “you must be a redneck”</p>
<p>You must be stark raving mad (SRM) If you cared about your son’s education;
you must be SRM if you saved by shopping at walmart
you must be SRM if you drove a corolla for so long
you must be SRM if you took no vacations for 18 years
you must be SRM if you scrimped and saved to send your kid to an unaffordable school</p>
<p>I doubt the children of the 1% apply to many colleges, on the whole. Most of the private high schools we’ve visited strongly encourage students to apply early to their favorite, reach college. They discourage the practice of applying to many colleges, especially if the student has an early acceptance from an elite college.</p>
<p>Guilty as charged.</p>
<p>One must be SRM at least for once in his life time!</p>
<p>One CCer told me frankly that my kid’s college name saved his butt during his application cycle (likely because he was “late” in this game and not particularly enthusiastic about this career path early in college.) If what he said is true, it is the money well spent! </p>
<p>Many here would firmly believe that going to a directional public university won’t make a difference if the kid has what it takes. And I will not dispute that. But from parent’s point of view, there is always a lingering thought: “What if?”</p>
<p>count me in with the frugal set. And the set that did send my son to a full-pay college (though it was considered a good value school back in 2005). The small size allowed him to excel in a few ECs he wanted to pursue. When he got ill in junior year, the Dean and profs gave him time to make up the work. I don’t ask myself the “what if” question. I’m just happy that he had his choice of grad schools and internships. </p>
<p>I think he would have been just fine at other colleges, but our state flagship? I don’t think so.</p>
<p>I saw this rate of accepted of Stanford is lower than Harvard. It just a Stanford, not every student in Stanford will be successful, not every new student will graduate from here, not everyone will say it is a right decision to go to Stanford.</p>
<p>There are several things we can tell from the 5.1%: Stanford wants to tell us that it is very hard to get in Stanford because we are the best of best, so we only choose the top students. They assume when they low the rate the school will become the best school on the earth without doing anything.
I think the amount of new students Stanford accepted will be closed among these few years. If they lower their admission rate, other new students will come from other ways to fill out the space at school. That means they accepted a lot of new students not according to their academic issue.</p>
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What? Stanford’s admit rate is not decreasing because Stanford is admitting fewer students as part of a reduced freshman class size. It is decreasing because there are a greater number of applications for a similar entering class size, and to a lesser extent because there has been an increase in yield. For example, 10 years ago there were 18,583 applicants for an entering class size of 1640. This year there were 42,167 applicants for an expected entering class size of 1675 (assuming same class size as last year).</p>
<p>I believe most of us were about to let this thread die…since this is OLD news…but then someone like this high school student from another country (yes I have read some of your high school questions) out of the blue has to post this incoherent rambling…</p>
<p>…what’s your point?</p>
<p>Yet another article I saw today covered this topic. It cited the tech industry as the primary reason behind Stanford’s ascendance. I am not sure if the site would be considered a blog or not, so I won’t link it in order not to violate the TOS. However, it also highlighted the annual Princeton Review survey of dream schools. Stanford is the number one dream school for both students and parents this year. Last year Stanford was first for students, and second for parents behind Harvard.
<a href=“2023 College Hopes & Worries Survey | The Princeton Review”>http://www.princetonreview.com/college-hopes-worries.aspx</a></p>
<p>The vast majority of those citing any of these schools as dream schools don’t really know anything about them other than vague heard-it’s-good so I wouldn’t ever put stock in that. </p>
<p>It only means what any survey means. Plenty of ignorant people respond to surveys of every type. At least this is a straight-forward question, unlike some of the ones on a Quinnipiac poll we got called for last week. The political polls I’ve experienced are terribly constructed, and yet politicians supposedly use them to make campaign decisions.</p>
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<p>LOL! Funny!!</p>
<p>Yeah, those college applicants know nothing about those dozen colleges that made the top ten.
If only those kids knew something about this new fangled thing called the “internet”.
They can go to things called “websites” to learn directly about the college.
In fact, they can even go to other sites to learn from others about colleges, experiences, details and even “chancing” them for admission. Those sites have something on them called “forums”.
There is a really good one called “college confidential”. Even though it has the word “confidential” in it, I feel comfortable sharing that.</p>
<p>And for those in the know about this internet thing, it seems that some of these sites are pretty popular.
Stanford, Harvard and MIT are in the top 700 sites in terms of traffic.
(If you have access to the internet you can check one of these site out yourself! (FREE!!)
Here is an example of a link: <a href=“http://cs.stanford.edu/degrees/ug/Requirements.shtml”>http://cs.stanford.edu/degrees/ug/Requirements.shtml</a>.
And another if you want to know about non-academics: <a href=“http://www.harvard.edu/student-life”>http://www.harvard.edu/student-life</a> </p>
<p>And that forum site I mentioned is also really popular.</p>
<p>BTW, from that site that listed the colleges, here are some quotes from the people who did the survey that they highlighted.</p>
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<p>Yeah, looks like they know nothing about the colleges. </p>