<p>I meant Stanford is <em>not</em> HYP.</p>
<p>I need more sleep.</p>
<p>At least I didn’t say that Princeton is not an ivy this time.</p>
<p>“That being said, I think that the advantage in terms of opportunity is so slight as to be almost negligible. In grad, law and med school admissions, it doesn’t matter a whit, from what I’ve seen, how elite your elite school is.”</p>
<p>You need to go read my discussion over on the law school thread on this issue.</p>
<p>It does matter.</p>
<p>Granted, it doesn’t matter that <em>much</em>, but it matters.</p>
<p>I would explain it again here, but right now I can’t even make sentences mean what I want them to mean.</p>
<p>It is post and discussions like this that convey to the high school students that HYPS is the ultimate in education. What I would like to know is the statistics after 4 years, how many of those students are actually employed. After your first job (where you may get your interview based on the name of the college and GPA), nobody cares about your college. Facebook,google, amazon and all big companies go to all of the top colleges in the country including all the state universities. This hype over getting to US ranked colleges are just perpetuated by media and posts like this…but guess this will continue …(sigh)</p>
<p>Well, my point is, who says BDP are worse than HYPS? And based on what? (Some have been saying, based on simple details.) It very much depends on the particular program and opportunities. And, how you actually perform and take advantage. As well as future goals. I used the word ‘offensive’ because it seemed more neutral than some other choices that came to mind. My core objection is to parsing among tippy tops and other great schools. And the left turn that somehow just going to a tippy top ensures a smooth future.</p>
<p>Btw, telling an adcom you want his or her tippy top for the future gloss, can be a kiss of death. </p>
<p>Oh, cool. The know-it-all law student archetype has arrived, and we’ve now hit for the cycle of wankery. </p>
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<p>Uhh, yeah. There is no “S” in “HYP”.</p>
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<p>For some of the big, influential tech companies, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, and many hedge funds and top wall street firms, that is not at all true. </p>
<p>Had to laugh…the ad banner at the top of this page…“Hire a Harvard editor”… </p>
<p>I feel like the acceptance rate was slightly lower than those on the east coast because almost everyone in California schools apply there. It’s basically the “dream school” here, at least at my school it is. </p>
<p>“For some of the big, influential tech companies, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, and many hedge funds and top wall street firms, that is not at all true.”</p>
<p>And for other companies where one can make a very nice living (because that’s the ultimate measure of success – money – sigh), it’s very true. </p>
<p>“But I don’t think it devalues the above point to acknowledge that some employers may be ever so slightly more impressed by hearing “Princeton” than hearing “Penn” without being unsophisticated idiots not worth knowing or working for.”</p>
<p>Yes. And some employers are going to be more impressed by Penn over Princeton. And if some of you actually got out of the east coast once in a while, you might understand that in Texas, some employers will privilege Texas A&M over both of them. Or in the Midwest in some circles, they are all “schools someplace out east,” the particulars of which are of no more interest than the half of you who couldn’t distinguish Iowa from Ohio on a map.</p>
<p>So spending your whole life chasing “but what do OTHER people say?” and using that as your guiding star in life as opposed to finding your own star is quite frankly, pathetic. If you go for quality in anything in life - it will be its own reward, regardless of whether the man on the street applauds you for those choices as you walk on by. </p>
<p>“But employers think!” “But my cousins think!” Don’t any of you have your own self-confidence these days?
My D goes to an LAC that is, at the same time, both historically prestigious AND not known to the average Joe. And so what? Who cares? Why this chasing of what other people think? It’s practically an obsession for some of you. </p>
<p>“Well, my point is, who says BDP are worse than HYPS? And based on what?”</p>
<p>The neighbors, or the cousins. Whose words are gospel.</p>
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<p>It’s easier for those who are highly privileged and have the amount of social capital as you have admitted to in previous posts on other threads snidely put down others who don’t have your level of confidence. </p>
<p>Most people…especially those who are barely in a position to be full-pay and/or concerned about job prospects due to the recent recession have the luxury of being so blase and immune from such concerns…even if everything you say has some merit depending on various contexts. </p>
<p>It’s ironic as I actually agree with some* of what you are saying…but feel your manner in communicating your points is not going to garner much of a receptive response from those I’m assuming you’re trying to help. </p>
<p>If anything, that very manner is likely to turn many people off from being receptive to some of those very points. </p>
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<li>Some because it’s not always applicable. For instance, someone hoping to work in occupations where the pedigree of one’s degree does highly matter such as i-banking or management consulting at a firm like BCG or an international student hoping to go back to a country where only SOME of the Ivies and SOME peer-level elite public/private colleges will be recognized for employment would be ill-advised to follow some/all your points. That is…unless they change their minds by staying in the US or going to other countries where pedigree of one’s US degree doesn’t matter as much.<br></li>
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<p>Are you seriously saying this HYPS mania is mainly focused in families “barely in a position to be full-pay and/or concerned about job prospects due to the recent recession” and not those who have resources? Feels kind of Dickensian. Pip’s whole future…</p>
<p>Some are just taking this too far. </p>
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<p>Not for all, but you’d be surprised at how many of them are…especially in the NE and Mid-Atlantic states. Some of them even show up here on CC. </p>
<p>It’s stronger in recent immigrant communities…especially those from societies where failing to get into a top few elite schools literally does mean doors to highly lucrative/prestigious occupations are completely shut. </p>
<p>Also, it’s not always limited to HYPS…but extends to other Ivies and academically elite peer universities and in some areas…NE LACs. </p>
<p>Yes, the mania extends to getting into schools like Williams, Amherst, Swat, Vassar(Especially women) and for women…Wellesley, Smith, Barnard, Mt. Holyoke, Bryn Mayr, etc. </p>
<p>Not saying I necessarily agree with all of it, but more that it exists and talking to those holding such views in a snide put-downish tone isn’t going to facilitate enlightening them. </p>
<p>Assuming of course that’s the intended purpose. </p>
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<p>Ain’t that the truth! Obviously, Stanford is not part of a narrow acronym that has not been widely used along these shores, and most “contextual” discussions. Like it or not, people do like and make references to the acronyms HYPS and AWS, regardless of its accuracy. That does not stop others to add a C or an M to make CHYMPS, and this without defining what the C means (Caltech, Columbia, or even Chicago!) </p>
<p>But is there a point in the above? Nope! And neither was there is the silly statement that Stanford is not HYP. Or in the silly debate about who sits on the pinnacle of education “uber-selectiveness.” </p>
<p>Time has come to dust off Hunt’s seminal posts on prestigiosity. Nothing else matters! </p>
<p>" Most people…especially those who are barely in a position to be full-pay and/or concerned about job prospects due to the recent recession have the luxury of being so blase and immune from such concerns…even if everything you say has some merit depending on various contexts."</p>
<p>But you’re assuming that just because some misguided, ill informed people THINK that Harvard = lifetime of riches and Tufts = do you want fries with that, that indeed the kid who winds up at Tufts should worry because he might be one day asking do you want fries with that. The REALITY is that the kid at Harvard will do just fine, and so will the kid at Tufts. Better than 98% of people in this country. </p>
<p>“It’s stronger in recent immigrant communities…especially those from societies where failing to get into a top few elite schools literally does mean doors to highly lucrative/prestigious occupations are completely shut.”</p>
<p>Yes. Because heaven forbid anyone ever have the nerve to say to these people that they’re completely and utterly wrong. Heaven forbid anyone would ever say - “You know how in your homeland, if you don’t get into certain schools, doors are closed? Well, it ain’t like that here, and that’s part of why you moved here - to experience a society that’s different and offers more opportunities. So you don’t need to browbeat your kid to get into Harvard.”</p>
<p>Nope, instead, it’s a better solution to just say - well, they THINK Harvard is the be-all-end-all, so we just need to indulge their foolishness.</p>
<p>Why do you suffer such fools gladly?</p>
<p>Common let’s be reasonable here…when did we start comparing colleges based on admission rate??? Brilliant, smart rejected students are heart-broken and yet we give Stanford the bravo…smh!!!</p>
<p>“It’s easier for those who are highly privileged and have the amount of social capital as you have admitted to in previous posts on other threads snidely put down others who don’t have your level of confidence.”</p>
<p>YK cobrat, I grew up in a working class neighborhood in a house that’s 12 feet wide, and neither of my parents had anything resembling a 4-year-sleep-away college education. My mother went to night school at a non-selective school that’s barely mentioned on CC while working full-time and went back to college full-time when I myself was in college, and my father had a GED and went off and fought in Vietnam. So I am REALLY tired of your continued assertion that I came from some highly privileged background with social capital. Enough already. You keep portraying me as some kind of snooty society princess and I’m really tired of it. </p>
<p>Yeah, they think it is, so c’mon folks, don;t be hard on them. “Oh, the poor dears, they are crushed.” Ironically, this H or bust mentality is simply NOT the sort of thinking that…gets you to H.</p>
<p>And btw, it’s not limited to the NE. </p>