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<p>The university's new fundraising initiative will create benefits across the College - for faculty, graduate students, and undergraduates alike.</p>

<p>$250 million in private commitments over the next five years - beyond the already-established goals of Campaign - the most important elements of the new initiative are efforts to fund new endowed faculty chairs, and raise $100 million for fellowships and scholarships.</p>

<p>Endowed chairs are a powerful means of attracting renowned faculty members to UCLA and keeping them on campus.
"The funds from the endowed chair have certainly inspired us to be more optimistic and aggressive about developing new field projects abroad that require outside funding," Morris said. </p>

<p>In addition, funds from the endowed chair help the program attract and support graduate students. </p>

<p>"We're competing with very wealthy, endowed universities for the best students. Stanford and Princeton routinely give their graduate students five years of full support," said Morris. And the funds from the Steinmetz Chair extend the impact of outside support.</p>

<p>"Many people may not know that federal funding agencies such as the National Endowment for the Humanities award only matching funds," Morris said. "Unless we can come up with half the money, we can't get federal funds. So having endowed funds locally that we can count on makes a huge difference. The Steinmetz endowment actually stimulates and brings in additional outside funding for UCLA."</p>

<p>"I'm delighted that this initiative is a top priority for the chancellor," she said. "The University of California has always had the reputation for being a major research university that attracts the best researchers as well as the best teachers and that draws graduate students from all over the world." </p>

<p>Joseph Wang, a Ph.D. candidate in economics, clearly understands the importance of student support. Wang is a foreign student from Taiwan who received the Robert Ettinger Prize for Graduate Student Research for a paper he wrote that attempts to explain the practice of last-minute bidding on eBay, the world's largest online auction company. The prize, established by economics alumnus Robert Ettinger, is awarded annually for the best papers completed by two UCLA third-year economics graduate students.</p>

<p>"I came to UCLA because I considered it a highly prestigious and competitive university at an affordable price," Toychyan said. "The Rudnick-Abelmann Scholarship has not only helped me financially, but it has also given me the confidence to continue my journey in this difficult field." </p>

<p>The chancellor's new initiative will enable UCLA to focus greater resources on its academic core of outstanding faculty like Sarah Morris, and promising students like Joseph Wang and Christina Topchyan. Endowed chairs, fellowships, and scholarships created through the support of visionary individuals and organizations can strengthen teaching and research, and provide a competitive edge that will ensure the academic excellence of the UCLA College.</p>

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<p>"We're competing with very wealthy, endowed universities for the best students. Stanford and Princeton routinely give their graduate students five years of full support," </p>

<p>UCLA's true competitors are HYPS not Berkeley and/or Michigan any longer.</p>

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<p>I'd still actually argue that Berkeley is UCLA's biggest competitor.</p>

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<p>I still think UCLA's biggest competitor is Berkeley, although there are smaller competitions with HYPS and some other UC's.</p>

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<p>heh, honestly, I don't think anybody from HYPS considers UCLA their competitor...</p>

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<p>UCLA and Berkeley are hardly competitors. If the two schools competed, they would only be killing themselves.
Remember that the UC's crown jewels are the three national laboratories, and all the UC's own them to some extent.
Our (note the use of this word) competitors are Michigan, UNCCH, and HYPS, not to mention USC.
I like both UC's, was accepted to both last year, and decided to go to Berkeley. I only count them as competitors if UCLA students decide that there isnt a mutalistic symbiosis between UCLA and Berkeley. Truthfully, UCLA used everything from Berkeley, just like the Arabs are still smitten with Soviet technology, relics that were created 20-50 years ago. UCLA's mascot, name design.. even it's original formal name was taken from Berkeley. But is Berkeley angry about this? No. Because the two are working toward the same goal, and the success of one is the success of the other. As of now, Berkeley is ranked #1 in numerous engineering/Chemistry/Physics fields, and UCLA is getting progressively more attention for it's medical discoveries.
I like Berkeley more, but I'm still far more loyal to any UC than to USC, or HYPS.</p>

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<p>"heh, honestly, I don't think anybody from HYPS considers UCLA their competitor..."</p>

<p>i agree with that. what i mean is, UCLA is trying to draw students who are HYPS caliber to UCLA, and so UCLA is competing against other top schools for these students. this is also more prevalent among the several graduate programs. </p>

<p>bubbles, i dont think the UC's compete against Michigan or UNCCH for applicants. perhaps as top public universities, yes.</p>

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<p>lets face it UC's CANNOT compete with HYPS, they just don't have the resources</p>

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<p>UC's taken as a whole, pose a challenge to HYPS. It's called strength in numbers. The number of students and researchers at the UC's outnumber HYPS by many times. And, they control three major national laboratories.
IMO, Berkeley, UCLA, UCSF, and UCSD together can easily take down any of HYPS member (in any field).</p>

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<p>oh come on.... please, you're saying that those top uc's could dare challenge the combined prowess of hyps... no chance</p>

<p>you talk about strength in numbers ... here is my analogy</p>

<p>HYPS have students trained like Elite Special Forces
UC's have regular army units</p>

<p>the regular army will be defeated by technological and tactical superiority</p>

<p>just my 2 cents</p>

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<p>speaking of strength in numbers, gee, i wonder why there is a new SAT. ;)</p>

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<p>yea i think there's way too much underrating of the HYPS going on here...UCs are awesome schools too...but common, there is a reason why HYPS is world renowned</p>

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<p>"UCLA's true competitors are HYPS not Berkeley and/or Michigan any longer"</p>

<p>What?? You've lost your top dude. UCLA's competition is UCSD, USC (university of second choice) and UC-Berkeley (the school all Bruins couldn't get into).</p>

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<p>"UCLA's competition is UCSD, USC (university of second choice) and UC-Berkeley (the school all Bruins couldn't get into)."</p>

<p>uh... i would say <em>UCLA</em> is the school that most UCSD and USC and to a lesser extent, UC Berkeley kids couldn't get into, NOT the other way around. -_-</p>

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<p>Hah! With the greater number of applicants, coupled with the lower acceptance rate, more people are actually being rejected by UCLA and going to UC Berkeley than vice versa. It should be the other way around.</p>

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<p>regarding what flopsy posted above... im not sure if my high school was an anomaly or whatever, but the better students were admitted to UCLA and berkeley and chose to attend UCLA (in fact, 3 out of top 5, including the valedictorian, chose ucla). the good students were admitted to berkeley but rejected by UCLA. did anyone else find this at their high school?</p>

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<p>yes mine...but i think the reason for that is the location. ppl from los angeles dont want to go too far away they're either too scared or their parents dont want them to..so they end up choosing UCLA over cal. I'm sure in the Bay area most ppl choose Berkeley over UCLA.</p>

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<p>Actually most of the bay area is spit between UCLA, UCSD, and Cal. Cal has major draw for engineering students and the like in sciences and math, yet though it offers world class oppurtunities in other fields, a lot of people equally chose to go to UCLA and UCSD for a change of pace and new surroundings. The bay area is an amazing place, dont get me wrong, but its very much dominated by the tech industry both in one's professional and social lives (too much revolves around work and academia!). Southern California tends to offer an attractive alternative for four years. Plus I dont know if any So-Caler's have been to Berkely, but Berkeley is an unique taste...there is no where else like it, and you fit in or you dont.</p>

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<p>i do note that there are A LOT of northern californians at UCLA, maybe a little under half the student population.</p>

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<p>The college of L&S at Cal and UCLA are equally selective. At my school, people have a very high propensity to love Cal. 2 people with 1600's and 4.00's decided to go to Berkeley rather than Caltech or MIT, and one person chose it over Stanford!</p>

<p>I'd say that AT MY high school, 90 percent of Cal acceptees were accepted to UCLA, and 70% the other way around. I got into both, and decided Berkeley.</p>

<p>I know that MOST people applied to both schools. Let's assume all of them did (calculations below for my school)</p>

<p>Out of the 21 students at my HS who decided to attend UCLA, only two were Cal acceptees.</p>

<p>Of the 50-or-so students who decided Berkeley, a 45 made it to UCLA.</p>

<p>66/71=over 90% of people were accepted to UCLA if they were accepted to UCLA
52/71= about 73 percent were accepted to Berkeley if they were accepted to UCLA.</p>

<p>For L&S students, UCLA seems a bit more attractive.
For Engineering students, it's a no-brainer for Cal.</p>