<p>So... I got in Stanford EA, and just received a likely letter from the M&T program.</p>
<p>I plan to major in Chemical Engineering, but would also like to have some business background. As for career plan, since I'm an international, there's not that much opportunity for chemical engineers (and get paid well). So, my goal is to become an investment banker/management consulting possibly working @ Goldman Sachs or Mckinsey.</p>
<p>Now, you will probably scream M&T... but @ Stanford you can pursue a co-term in MS&E. Does graduating with a master's degree look better than a joint degree (M&T)?</p>
<p>Also, another thing that I'm worried is the workload... how does a workload of a typical M&T student compare with that of Stanford doing coterm?</p>
<p>One more: how's the quality of the education at the two places?</p>
<p>Last question: how's the environment? I heard that @ Penn the competition is almost cut-throat (very similar to business world), while at Stanford, it's kinda laid-back?</p>
<p>i personally think the education at stanford is much better than penn in many ways. there are better undergrad faculty, there is better accessibility to faculty at stanford, and i think the environment is more friendly, comfortable, and cooperative</p>
<p>From what I have heard, MS&E at Stanford is very difficult and M&T is definitely a great program (although very competitive too).</p>
<p>it depends on what kind of college you want because the two schools are very different</p>
<p>ChemE is a waste of time if you want to work at Goldman; an MSE bachelors is all you need. Also, I’m pretty sure banks won’t let you start off as an associate even if you coterm, in which case the Masters would be pretty pointless and you should just do an MBA later. A coterm would make more sense if you’re interested in very quantitative areas of finance</p>
<p>@NJDS MS&E is not very difficult, it just has a lot of people in the program that are not by any stretch engineers, so the math classes may be hard for them. It’s definitely the easiest engineering degree to get (other than maybe environmental, which I don’t know anything about) at the undergrad or graduate level. It seems better respected in the community at the grad level, and at the grad level there is opportunity to make it a pretty legit/intense degree if you want. But if you go down their fuzzy business track… they really should get out MAs for that, not MSs, but thats a different story.</p>
<p>If you have a non-MBA masters and no work experience, you will come in as an analyst at Goldman/business analyst at Mckinsey. I can guarantee you that–tons of stanford students experience that every year. If you worked for 2-3 years, came back and did MS&E, you could potentially go back as a consultant at a place like mckinsey/bain/bcg/etc. You probably wouldn’t be recruited for Goldman. MS&E isn’t quanty enough (most of the time) for people to go into goldman’s quant teams, and they will be picking up kids from the GSB for banking.</p>
<p>I agree with the above post that if you are just trying to go to banking/consulting, it’d probably be much less stressful/just as effective to major in econ with a math minor (popular choice amongst the pre finance/consulting crowd).</p>
<p>Also, I’d think you’d be crazy to choose penn over stanford for anything.</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree with Handala92. I tried looking for his stats after he said he got a likely letter from M&T. Came across his posts about deciding between Yale and Stanford, which wouldn’t be possible this early because of Yale’s single choice restrictions. Does M&T even send out likely letters??
I mean, if you are so amazing to get into all three schools, then great for you. But this seems highly, highly suspicious.</p>
<p>^Haha… to clarify: I got accepted EA in Stanford and just received a likely letter from M&T a few days ago. I applied regular decision for Yale (which is need-blind for international students). I havent yet received the decision from Yale, but by talking to the interviewer (who was in correspondence with the regional admission officer), I just get the feeling I might get in.</p>
<p>Since I didn’t apply for finaid @ Stanford, I was just asking people around whether Yale’s Chemical Engineering is as prestigious as Stanford’s, and I obviously got the answer.</p>
<p>I haven’t posted my stats anywhere, but in terms of numbers:</p>
<p>SAT: 2270
SAT subject: 800 Math/Chem/Phys
International
IB Predict: 44/45
Class rank: 1/200ish
Represented my country @ IChO
One of the 3 winners of my country’s Chemistry Olympiad.
2 Published research papers (in Chemistry)
In close correspondence with 2 Chemistry Nobel Laureates</p>
<p>As you can see I REALLY like the sciences… but in my country… engineers don’t make even 10% of what investment bankers or management consultants do…</p>
<p>Also, there’s another major called Mathematics and Computational Science that I’m looking into. Any comments about this major? It says in the website that the program combines Stanford’s best departments (CS, Engineering, MS&E, Math, GSB) into one major.</p>
<p>^I must say, I’m both very impressed and very jealous haha. Congratulations!
But you shouldn’t pick ibanking or consulting just based on the salary, that’s a bad reason for ANY career. Especially with investment banking, I’ve heard that you’ll burn out quickly if you don’t love it.
If you’re good at chemistry, then maybe you should pursue it as a career. Chemical engineers do make a lot of money too you know… Anyways, not many people have the options that you have, so make a wise decision!</p>
<p>Stanford gets my vote if you’re majoring in math, engineering, science, economics, or psychology. Penn would be better for history, anthropology, business and ? Stanford’s social atmoshere is far superior, in my opinion.</p>
<p>another question: how’s the workload of an M&T student? Is the competition cut-throat? What’s the average GPA for M&T ppl? I heard that it’s generally lower than other majors as they are taking harder classes (hardcore engineeirng and hardcore finance).</p>
<p>ah man!!. gotta say this… you are a lucky guy/girl to get to choose between Stanford, M & T and Yale… well done… whtever you choose i dont think you will go wrong… but if i were you…i would pick upenn… its closer to NY, closer to financial firms/banks. etc… and M & T is a legit and intense program…</p>
<p>i noticed that you got into stanford and yale early…isnt that violating the restrictive early action policies of both universities? if anyone were to find out, you could get your admission rescinded…</p>
<p>^
For clarification, I applied and got into Stanford EA. I appled Yale RD, where I also applied for financial aid. As a result, I was just asking around about the Chemical Engineering @ Yale. Now, I have just received a likely letter from UPenn’s M&T program (with finaid).</p>
<p>So… is there a big difference in reputation in the business world if I decide to go to Stanford instead of M&T? I feel that @ Stanford, I would be able to explore other careers, while @ M&T you’re bound to become bankers/consultants?</p>
<p>depends on what you would dt at summers and gpa. if pure engineering career then, stanford is onr of thr top 5 tech schoold(mit, berkeley,stanford,cornell and cmu).</p>
<p>IF GOAL IS TO DO MGMT/CONSULTING THEN MORE OPTIONS AT PENN BEING EAST COAST.</p>
<p>Basically, you should got to Penn. Wharton is the #1 school Ibankers go “fishing” at. Also, the M&T program can provide you with a wealth of skills that you’ll make use of in an ibanking atmosphere.</p>
<p>However, Stanford’s social scene is far better than that of Penn. That’s not to say, though, that you will not have fun at Penn; ivy leaguers have fun, too! :)</p>
<p>I must admit that financial considerations aside, I’m leaning more towards Stanford given its friendly and non-competitive atmosphere and west coast weather.</p>
<p>I’m wondering whether doing a chemical engineering BS and then MS&E coterm is equivalent or even better than doing Penn’s M&T? + I heard that for M&T, you have to take an average of 5-7 courses per semester, while @ Stanford if you plan to coterm, it’s only about 4-5 per quarter??</p>