Stanford or Yale?

There are 568 registered student organizations listed in the Yale College directory (https://studentorgs.yalecollege.yale.edu/directory), and many others aren’t listed there. These represent a very broad range of interests, and most are open to all comers. The level of required commitment varies, depending on the group and the role you’d like to have within it. Anecdotally, Yale students are generally welcoming, and, in a recent survey, 70% claimed to be “happy” or “extremely happy” at Yale (https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/04/04/most-students-happy-at-yale-survey-shows/).

The arts are much more prominent at Yale than Stanford, as you would expect at a university that has schools of drama, music, art and architecture. There are many groups/clubs/productions, with options at all levels. While some of the arts groups (e.g., some a cappella singing groups) have a limited number of members and require auditions, with a high level of commitment, others welcome anyone who shows up and are more lowkey about it (e.g., some of the dance troupes, etc.).

more myths to debunk:)

Stanford has schools of theater, music, and art… has built a music hall that used the same acoustic architect that designed the disney concert hall in LA, a newly constructed Mcmurtry arts building that is part of the arts district… along with the Anderson Bldg that houses one of the most prominent collections of American modern art in addition to the Cantor museum… along with the largest collection of Rodin sculptures outside of Paris that you see strewn across campus. The arts scene is growing and strong at Stanford.

In true SV style there is also a laptop orchestra… lols.

@sbballer

Grad school rankings largely don’t apply to undergrad quality.

I don’t think you can go wrong either way. The way I’d approach the decision is to consider where you’d like to be based once you begin “real life” after finishing college/grad school. If you see yourself staying on the east coast, I’d say Yale would give you more opportunities. If you’re planning on staying out west, Stanford is the obvious choice.

@sbballer – “more myths to debunk:) Stanford has schools of theater, music, and art…”

If you want to “debunk more myths,” you need to be better informed first. Stanford DOESN’T have “schools” of theater, music, and art. It has departments like most other colleges and universities, but there’s a big difference between departments and schools. DeepBlue86 is correct. Yale does have the schools of drama, art, music and architecture.

Stanford most certainly does not have a school of theater…or music…or art. They have departments of Theater and Performance Studies, Music and Art & Art History within the School of Humanities and Sciences.

http://facts.stanford.edu/academics/

“along with the largest collection of Rodin sculptures outside of Paris that you see strewn across campus. The arts scene is growing and strong at Stanford.
In true SV style there is also a laptop orchestra… lols.”

Yale has its Precision Marching Band and the largest collection of British Art outside of London.
Yale campus architecture is much more interesting comparing to Stanford. Top notch museums and performance venues on campus. New Haven is a vibrant city with a great restaurant scene. Stanford area is a boring suburb.

Seriously, @sbballer

Yale has the top-ranked graduate school of fine arts in US News (https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-fine-arts-schools), one of the best drama schools in the world, where untold numbers of great actors and directors have learned their craft (https://actinginlondon.co.uk/best-acting-schools-in-the-world/ , https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/top-25-drama-schools-world-558898); one of the most prestigious music schools in the world (https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/yale-university/news/top-college-2017-top-ranked-music/ , https://www.onlineschoolscenter.com/posts/20-prestigious-music-degree-programs-world/); and one of the top schools of architecture (https://www.architecturalrecord.com/articles/11865-americas-top-architecture-schools-2017).

Stanford’s a wonderful school, and I’m sure they’ve got a great concert hall, but in fine arts / performing arts, they’re not in the same league as Yale.

as long as we’re on the topic of bands – the leland stanford band is far from a precision band… that’s boring.

they’re irreverent, nerdy and wind up on probation a lot:)

Part of one of the most famous plays/scenes in college football history…

THE PLAY :slight_smile:

I’m sure Yale has fine schools of art, music and drama… .just pointing out that Stanford has a strong arts scene… and a Humanities and Sciences school that is ranked higher by USNWR in practically every humanities and social science discipline above Yale… and I only point that out because it probably comes as a surprise to many… esp on the East Coast.

@sbballer - we’re having this discussion because you confidently made a statement that was refuted almost instantly by two different people who know how to use Google. Now you’re attempting to change the subject.

As I was saying to the OP before you interrupted, ECs at Yale can be intense, lowkey or somewhere in between. In response to the specific question about the performing arts, although there are a lot of arts-related offerings at Yale given its long performing/fine arts tradition and the presence of the drama/music/art/architecture schools, there are many arts groups that don’t require enormous commitment. I’ll go out on a limb and guess that this might also be true at Stanford.

Can we move along now?

Comparing academics is a fruitless exercise at this level. I would go with Stanford for the following reasons:
“-I love the West Coast culture, and the weather, modern style of architecture, and sunny days appeal to me greatly (I’m from the East Coast). I’m not huge on the Gothic buildings at Yale (including the traditional feel of the dorms and dining halls), and I’m kind of afraid that the winters will be depressing. I also don’t really care for the tradition that Ivy League schools tout, and I prefer casual dress.”

BTW, the support and attention one gets (I mean an undergrad) from Stanford’s humanities professors is unbelievably good.

^^Another plus for Stanford is it’s top notch D1 athletics if that at all appeals to you…?

Stanford.

Is this really a question?

Do I want to live in an eastern decaying city, or an vibrant region of innovation and invention?
Do I want rain and cold or sunshine? Do I want to be surrounded by physical beauty? Do I want to cry or laugh?

Again, OP can’t go wrong with either choice. It all comes down to fit. Self-contained, suburban campus with palm trees, great weather and irreverent and quirky student body versus more stately urban neo-gothic campus with urban grit, four seasons and wonderful, old traditions. West coast vs. east coast. It all comes down to fit.

Both are great schools – both excel in all areas. Go where you think you will be most happy. You’ll get a great education at either place.

I live 30 minutes from Stanford and worked there for a couple years, but if I had to pick between the two, I can easily see myself picking Yale. It’s about the only east coast school I would leave the west coast for.

The charm and excitement of Stanford wore off after a year. Of course, the same may have happened at Yale, too.

There are many worse places than New Haven. The way people talk about it reminds me of the way they talk about the neighborhood around USC. They’re not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.

I had spent all my youth in California beaches, primarily in San Diego and Santa Barbara. By the time I reached a college age I started feeling suffocated by the idyllic southern CA culture and decided to attend Cal-Berkeley as my only choice of school. I fell in love with Berkeley and the bay area culture and wanted to make the area my permanent home, but there were no job opportunities upon graduating, so when the first job offer came from Boston, I took it. That was in the 90’s, and the whole time since then, I’ve been dreaming of returning to CA to retire. But funny thing happened. Each time I visited my parents’ home in San Diego, as well as the bay area, or L.A., which I have done often and continue to do for family reunions, I started getting suffocated and really disliking my CA visits. A couple of years ago, when I took a vacation in San Francisco and Napa Valley because my wife and my boys had never been there, we decided to tour both Berkeley and Stanford campus. While Berkeley, as a town and not the campus itself, seemed to have dilapidated quite a bit since my student years, Stanford campus, by contrast, had the appearance of being immaculate and sanitary in cleanliness. Yet, what struck me was that Stanford, in its seeming beauty at first impression, started making me feel suffocated again as if it represented that boring, idyllic and clean southern CA culture, probably due to its uniform Spanish architecture that resembles San Diego’s Barboa Park. In fact, I have a large canvas poster photo of my wife on my wall from our trip to Barboa Park, and a friend of mine, upon seeing the photo, asked me, “was that from Stanford?”

The point is that, if you’re coming from the east coast, moving to the west probably would do you a whole lot in terms of broadening your perspectives, just as it did to me when I did the opposite, enough that I long ago gave up the youthful idea of wanting to retire in the Golden State. But this whole argument and the selling point using the superior weather thing is all up to individual preference, not a universal thing. I met someone while waiting for a T ride in Boston one time, and his image of San Diego was “heaven,” while for someone like me, I could only tolerate San Diego for a short stay for a family reunion. I need snow, palpable subtleties of four seasons, a sense of history about the place, etc. It’s an individual thing, and as an individual preference, I’d much rather be a part of the place with so much rich tradition, history, culture, seasons, etc. Of course, all that I love now in my life’s stage might just as well be suffocating to another who can hardly wait to experience something entirely different…

It’s no wonder so many people retire and move north. I get what you’re saying but it really is an Individual decision. I would believe that more consistently nice weather of SoCal is preferred to the rugged winters marching to clsss and libraries if considered in a vacuum. Fall and late spring it’s NE all day long.

And I was born raised in NE. Moved a bit and travelled extensively. Live back in NE now