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<p>This thread is becoming pointless so I will make this the last post in it and encourage it to die. </p>

<p>However, kyledavid80 your last post made me LOL at you.</p>

<p>"especially using grad school rankings at undergrad level." You disagree with that but agree that we should dismiss undergrad rankings?!?!?!</p>

<p>The whole point of my argument (and others arguments) is that ALL rankings are useless. You, on the other hand, are willing to DISMISS UNDERGRADUATE rankings and EMPLOY GRADUATE rankings. That logic is absolutely vacuous. Clearly the only reason you are focusing on graduate schools is because you think you might be able to show Stanford is better using grad school rankings... you, my friend, are selectively choosing which statistics are valid based on whether or not they help Stanford undergrad appear better... but, even with your clinging adherence to grad school rankings, you have no good explanation for dismissing US News's ranking of Yale as a 98 and Stanford as a 94 and other undergrad rankings that favor Yale.</p>

<p>Based on your logic, we should all be choosing UNDERGRADUATE schools based on grad school rankings and NOT based on undergrad rankings. WOW!!!!! Touche, my friend! I can't top that kind of idiocy!</p>

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<p>Interestingly, Yale has a lot of schools, with a kind of setup quite different from other universities. Stanford doesn't have those schools, but in most cases it has a corresponding department.</p>

<p>Before you provide any official rankings or objective data, all your inequalities about professional schools stay invalid. I would point out some are ridiculously wrong.</p>

<p>Take School of Forestry and Environmental Studies as an example. Can you tell me how many universities have this type of school? What if only Yale has that type of school? Are you going to claim Yale is the best in the nation? If you check the US news ranking in a closely related field: Environmental/Environmental Health ( Environmental/Environmental</a> Health - Engineering - Best Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report ), Stanford is #1 and has been #1 for decades. Yale doesn't show up on the top 10 list. In fact, Stanford's faculty are most distinquished in environment sciences in the nation, with 8 professors selected into the national academy of sciences (the environment sciences and ecology section, you can search in National</a> Academy of Sciences: by typing the university name and the field name), while Yale has only 1 professor in NAS.</p>

<p>Another example is the school of management, Stanford doesn't have such a school. Harvard and Penn Wharton don't have that either. Are you going to argue Yale is better than all of these universities in management? Let's look at the closely related school: business school, and the closely related department: industrial engineering. According to US-NEWS, Stanford is #1 in graduate school ranking in business, tied with Harvard, and #4 in industrial engineering. How about Yale? It is not among top 10 in either one.</p>

<p>I know less about Yale's other schools you mentioned. I seriously doubt that those Yale schools are all better than Stanford's corresponding departments. But I do believe Yale is generally a little better than Stanford in arts and humanities.</p>

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<p>Some people keep argueing that graduate school ranking is irrelavent to undergraduate education. I would say graduate ranking and undergraduate ranking are not the same, but correlated very positively. If you check US news individual school or individual department rankings for undergraduate and graduate, the rankings for graduate and the rankings for undergraduates are almost the same, as long as a school has a graduate program and an undergraduate program. This holds true for engineering school ranking and for business school ranking. </p>

<p>In engineering, MIT, Stanford, and Berkeley are best for graduate education, and also best for undergraduate education. </p>

<p>For business school, Harvard and Stanford don't have an undergradute program. Penn-Wharton, MIT, and Berkeley are the best in undergraduate education in business. They are all in top 10 in graduate business school ranking. </p>

<p>Yale fails to make the top 10 list in both, even though Yale is ranked #3 in the overall US-NEWS college ranking.</p>

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<p>datalook, you also didn't quite understand my post. I was NOT trying to point out that Yale has stronger professional schools. I was trying to show how ridiculous it is to compare Yale and Stanford in such ways. </p>

<p>While Stanford has its four amazing professional schools, Yale has spread its resources to provide solid Law, Medicine, and Business, and many other schools that most other universities don't even have. If Stanford focuses on just four schools while Yale provides so many more, they are very different institutions that cannot be compared overall. You can say that Stanford's Business > Yale's, but you can't really say that Stanford>Yale or Yale>Stanford as an overall institution (and if you do, it's just personal opinion/preference). </p>

<p>But since you insist, I'll respond to your criticisms and show you how different Yale is from Stanford and other schools. </p>

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Take School of Forestry and Environmental Studies as an example. Can you tell me how many universities have this type of school? What if only Yale has that type of school? Are you going to claim Yale is the best in the nation? If you check the US news ranking in a closely related field: Environmental/Environmental Health ( Environmental/Environmental Health - Engineering - Best Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report ), Stanford is #1 and has been #1 for decades. Yale doesn't show up on the top 10 list.

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<p>For Yale's School of Forestry, environmental engineering is NOT even a department. I don't believe Stanford or even most schools have anything comparable to Yale's School of Forestry. Here are all the academic programs they offer: </p>

<p>Ecology, Ecosystems, and Biodiversity
Environmental Health
Forestry, Forest Science, and the Management of Forests for Conservation and Development
Global Change Science and Policy
Industrial Environmental Management
Policy, Economics and Law
Social Ecology of Conservation and Development
Urban Ecology and Environmental Design
Water Science, Policy, and Management</p>

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I know less about Yale's other schools you mentioned. I seriously doubt that those Yale schools are all better than Stanford's corresponding departments.

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<p>You "seriously doubt" because you really have no idea.</p>

<p>The Art, Architecture, Drama, Music, and Divinity Schools are among the best in the nation. The Art School is KNOWN as among the best if not the very best in this nation. Yale Ranks #2 in US News for Art (which excludes Drama and Music). Stanford's program is not on par. </p>

<p>The Music School is a peer of Juilliard; this is widely known and if you don't know this yourself you are not very cultured. US News and Change rank graduate music programs where Yale comes in #6 for the Master of Music program, right behind the Curtis Institute of Music at #5. The Yale Philharmonia (Graduate Symphony) represented the US in its performance at the Beijing Olympics! The main undergraduate symphony (Yale has 5 undergraduate orchestras) performs at Carnegie hall every other year and does a Europe tour each summer; Stanford's one symphony combines undergraduates with grad students and is "laid back and not that great" according to one of my friends at Stanford. Stanford's graduate/undergraduate music program lags considerably behind Yale's. </p>

<p>I didn't spend time looking up Drama School Graduate rankings because Yale is reputed as among the best, possibly the best, producing actors such as Meryl Streep and Edward Norton. Its undergraduate program was ranked 1st by the Gourman Report. </p>

<p>The Architecture School ranks extremely high (#2 by 2005 Design Intelligence and in the top 15 by Architecture Magazine; Stanford is not on either of these lists), with celebrities like Jerry Seinfeld attending the re-opening of one our Architecture School Buildings! Stanford's programs in Art, Music, Drama, and Architecture are not as developed as those of Yale. </p>

<p>I know for a fact that Stanford lacks a school of Public Health, or an MPH program. So Stanford does not provide a corresponding program for this professional school either, while Yale's is ranked in the top 20 by US News. </p>

<p>Stanford also lacks a nursing school, which Yale has and ranks #7 by US News. </p>

<p>As far as I know, Stanford has nothing comparable to Yale's Divinity School, which offers the Master of Divinity, Master of Arts in Religion, and Master of Sacred Theology programs. </p>

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Another example is the school of management, Stanford doesn't have such a school. Harvard and Penn Wharton don't have that either. Are you going to argue Yale is better than all of these universities in management?

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<p>Yale's School of Management is Yale's business school (with a very different philosophy from typical business schools). I'm surprised you didn't know that. </p>

<p>If you had actually read my post I even stated that the Yale School of Management < Stanford School of Business. </p>

<p>So, CONCLUSION:</p>

<p>Stanford has amazing graduate and professional schools. Yale also has amazing graduate and professional, schools, but many are VERY different from those of Stanford. There is NO way anyone can say that Yale>Stanford or Stanford>Yale as an overall institution unless both schools provide exactly the same number and types of graduate and undergraduate programs. They are two very different machines and are among the best at what they do.</p>

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<p>Moderator's Note: This thread has gone way OT from the OP and the OP has not responded since page 1. So, I'm going to close this and the OP can start a new thread with a perhaps more specific question if she wants.</p>