<p>Cardinal 09, why did you get so little sleep?</p>
<p>lol same here Cardinal 09, i would come home from wrestling or track every day around 6. Go to karate at 7. get back around 10 and than start my hw and studying. lol i would be lucky if i got 5 hours of sleep</p>
<p>I thought 7.1 was quite good -- if I get any less, I enjoy the next day less, but 7-ish or more hours of sleep puts me in a quite good position the next day.</p>
<p>Same here. I can survive on 6-7 hours a day. I might not feel fully refreshed, but it's enough to keep me going. And besides, there's plenty of time to sleep during the weekends.</p>
<p>Let's see... the score is Stanford: 9, Ivies: 0.</p>
<p>Well, I'd say those are some pretty compelling statistics. Nine of out nine students on the Stanford board agree: Stanford is better than HYP.</p>
<p>No, I wouldn't say that at all. Obviously Stanford is better than the other 5 Ivys, but it is equally good as HYP.</p>
<p>not it terms of quality of life.</p>
<p>"The best survival rate is experienced by people who sleep 7 hours, rather than 8 or more, or less than 4.5 hours, according to an editorial in the February 2004 issue of the journal SLEEP by Daniel F. Kripke, M.D., professor of psychiatry, University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine.</p>
<p>"The editorial, titled 'Do We Sleep Too Much?' comments on a study by A. Tamakoshi and Y. Ohno in the same issue of the journal, as well as the results of two other studies: the Nurses' Health Study (NHS) in the Archives of Internal Medicine (2003;163:205-209), and the Cancer Prevention Study II by Kripke, that was reported in the Archives of General Psychiatry (2002; 59: 131-136)"</p>
<p>Really? Wow, I always thought 9 hours sleep was an ideal. I read an article that stated that 9 hours was the amount of time your muscles needed to completely regnerate so all athletes and body-builders are recommended to get 9 hours of sleep when they are training. </p>
<p>I'm neither so it doesn't apply to me! Interesting article though Greybeard.</p>
<p>Well, it is diffcutl to compare such wonderful institutions. In my country and in many other latin american countries, HYP are viewed with a special glow. When I told my friends I had chosen Stanfod over Princeton and Yale, they all told me I was the dumbest person alive. To tell you the truth I myself had a bit of a problem chosen stanford over the other two but ultimately chose Stanford because:</p>
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<li>Engineering dep</li>
<li>Well-rounded institution.</li>
<li>I am a very liberal person, I am one of those weird social/nerds, that gets along with the soccer team (in my country, simylar to the football team) in the same way with the artists and with the science lovers.</li>
<li>For what I researched, i felt that Stanford student body was more like street smart, liberal and fun students with love for academics, while at some ivies I felt it was more like an academic bubble.</li>
<li>and yes I have to say..... girls, girls, girls.</li>
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<p>Well, in many Asian countries, a university's reputation depends on its strength in science and engineering. Because of this, schools like Stanford, MIT, and Berkeley are very highly regarded and well-known. My relatives in Korea haven't heard of half the Ivies yet they really respect Stanford because of its international reputation as a premiere science and research university. The exception to this rule is Harvard; it's always been considered the best school in the world, simply because it's Harvard.</p>
<p>For those interested in reading the article here's</a> a link (pdf). Unfortunately it doesn't apply to us adolescents because all the participants were 30 or older. (And you know we can't trust them... :P )</p>
<p>7.1 hours a night average sounds way off. Perhaps this might be correct if we are talking about only the summer time, or if we encorporate the summer and the breaks into the year, but i know that, at times, my friend slept for as little as 2 or 3 hours on some nights.</p>
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Last time I looked at some stats, highest average starting salary after graduation was for Stanford grads.
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<p>If this is only between HYPS grads, then I would agree. However, if it is an overall ranking, I would strongly suspect that MIT grads earn a higher average starting salary than do Stanford grads. The reason is simple. Engineers tend to make the most starting salary out of all bachelor's degree recipients, and MIT has a greater proportion of engineers than does Stanford. Keep in mind that Stanford has a lot liberal arts students who tend not to make a high starting salary upon graduation. MIT has very few liberal arts students.</p>
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laxman18, you cannot enter HBS directly after undergrad. You have to have at least two years of work experience before you can apply.
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<p>Well, that's not completely true. You CAN enter HBS directly after undergrad. It's just extremely unlikely that you will. Some tremendously exceptional people have entered HBS with no full-time work experience. </p>
<p>For example, take Lisa Schwartz, who reportedly got admitted to a JD/MBA program at Yale Law and HBS right after graduating from Harvard College. Of course, I wouldn't exactly hold my breath trying to replicate her. She was only the second person in more than 20 years to graduate from Harvard College with perfect grades, and that other person happened to be her older brother, Kevin Schwartz. Not even Henry Kissinger graduated from Harvard College with perfect grades.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, it is true in general that it is extremely difficult (not impossible, but extremely difficult) to get into HBS, or any elite businesss school for that matter, without any work experience. The average age of matriculation at the top business schools is generally between 27-28. However, I have seen people who have entered top business schools right after getting, say, their PhD, but still not having had any true work experience (unless you count completing a PhD as work experience).</p>
<p>Sakky, I am aware of the ability of exceptional students to gain direct admission to Harvard Business School without the need of work experience, but, for the majority of us, work experience is a necessity!</p>
<p>Another person to gain admission to HBS without work experience was former McKinsey CEO Rajat Gupta:</p>
<p>Depends on what you want do.</p>
<p>If you are Eng Major and like weather then UCB and Stanford. If weather in not an issue, add MIT and Cornell.</p>
<p>For heading pre prefoessional training( pre law, pre MBA and Pre med), I would say Harvrad, Pton, Yale and Penn good place to start.</p>
<p>If you are into Branding, then there is only Harvard.</p>
<p>Stanford has 50% folks from CA so its a regional that way.</p>
<p>You want to Business then Penn is the answer other choice is UCB.</p>
<p>The people who enroll in MBA programs straight out of college typically have a tremendous number of leadership positions during college and have landed top internships during the summers. It does happen, but it's very rare.</p>
<p>how much do Caltech grads make in comparison to Stanford and MIT grads?</p>
<p>Good question. Also, how happy are CalTech grads in comparison to Stanford grads? MIT grads? Ivy grads?</p>
<p>Cal tech is for those who wants to do PH D.</p>