<p>It has various features that some see as perks and some negative aspects.</p>
<p>I'm quite biased being an alumnus, as my handle indicates, but Cal's environment is vastly more stimulating, diverse and exciting than Stanford's. For such a large school, the Cal campus is remarkably compact and intimate. For one, it is a pedestrian experience, with great cafes and restaurants ringing the campus, and a 22 minute subway ride to SF.</p>
<p>Stanford's campus is nice, but quite sparse and very sedate by comparison. It is located in a very boring part of the bay area (silicon valley burbs) that offers very little for a college student other than outdoor activities nearby (which are similar to those around Cal actually).</p>
<p>Don't worry too much about grades at Cal, because grad schools everywhere do adjust applicants for their campus grade inflation or lack of it. And they have a great deal of respect for Berkeley. I graduated from Cal with a 2.9 and got into most of the top 10 MBA programs I applied to. Two of my best friends at Cal were history majors, one ended up at Yale Law and the other at Michigan Law. I believe that Cal sends the most students to graduate schools nationwide.</p>
<p>There are reasons for picking Stanford over Cal, mainly the desire for a very quiet campus experience and the ivy-west social cachet (this prestige differential BTW only applies within the US, Berkeley's name is at least as big internationally.) You seem a bit too cool to be swayed by those factors tough. </p>
<p>Go with your gut feeling, and GO BEARS!</p>
<p>CalX, sent you a PM.</p>
<p>STANFORD The choice shouldn't even be hard. Don't get me wrong, Berkley's an excellent school too, but Stanford has more money, a big name, and you're liable to recieve more individual attention, even if you pay more.</p>
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<p>I wish that were true. But I don't think it is. Not even Berkeley's own law school, Boalt, gives as much respect to GPA's earned in Berkeley undergrad than earned at Stanford undergrad. </p>
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<p>I think this is a pretty poor example, because the fact is, MBA programs don't care that much about GPA. Work and leadership experience are far more important.</p>
<p>As a case in point, I know a guy with less than a 2.5 from a no-name school who is in HBS. How did he get in? Simple. He was a decorated officer in the Special Forces, and had just completed a tour in Afghanistan before he got admitted. </p>
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<p>I think people should carefully look at this as a point of comparison.</p>
<p>So for Yale Law, 134 prelaws from Stanford applied, 22 got in, for an admit percentage of 16.4%. The average GPA of the admitted students was 3.86, the average LSAT was 171.2. 26 Prelaws from Berkeley applied, 1 got in for an admit percentage of 4%. The GPA of the admitted student was 4.0, and he had a 178 LSAT. </p>
<p>For Michigan Law, 37 Stanford prelaws got in out of 114 applicants, for a 32.4% admit percentage. The average GPA of these admits was 3.53, the average LSAT was 170.3. 29 Berkeley prelaws applied, 6 were admitted, for an admit rate of 20%. They had an average GPA of 3.94, an average LSAT of 169. </p>
<p>Hence, the point is, it seems to me that Berkeley prelaws have to get SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER grades to get into top law schools, relative to Stanford prelaws. That's right - SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. In other words, not only is it probably easier to get higher grades at Stanford, but you don't need to get very high grades to get into a top law school coming out of Stanford. The average GPA at Stanford is probably at least a 3.44 (which is what it was in 1994), yet having a a GPA of 3.53 is the average GPA of Stanford prelaws to get into Michigan Law.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gradeinflation.com/stanford.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.gradeinflation.com/stanford.html</a></p>
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<p>I've heard this one too, and it's probably true, but almost certainly due to the sheer size of Berkeley. Berkeley sends a lot of kids to graduate school simply because Berkeley has a lot of kids period. A far far better way to measure this is to measure the percentage of kids going to graduate school.</p>