Stanford vs. UChicago

<p>I never in my wildest dreams thought I would ever get to make a choice like this...</p>

<p>Some background information:
-from Southern California
-want to major in Economics, and hopefully go into management consulting or something business-related after undergrad (but not so much finance/i-banking)</p>

<p>Stanford pros:
-School spirit! One of the things that worried me about UChicago was the lackluster athletic-related spirit.
-A healthy social life - I'm all for work hard, play hard.
-The people :)</p>

<p>Stanford cons:
-California. I've lived here my whole life, and part of me wants a change in scenery...and seasons. To add to that fact, I actually have a couple friends (also current seniors) who are for sure going to Stanford. I feel like this won't give me that "clean slate" that you're supposed to start these next 4 years with.
-7,000 undergrads compared to UChicago's 5,000
-Palo Alto not very suited for college students
-I hear the campus is ginormous...I visited UChicago's back in Feb., and loved it! I'd like a campus that is walk-able and easily navigate-able (did NOT like Northwestern's)</p>

<p>The last 3 are really just minor objections. I think one of my main worries about going to Stanford would be not stepping too much out of my comfort zone. The other would be how everyone interested in business is only interested in entrepreneurship/tech start-ups. Do big East Coast companies recruit much at Stanford?</p>

<p>Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>First of all, congratulations! Both schools are incredible. </p>

<p>Let me start off by saying I adore and applied to both. I haven’t attended either, but I’ve visited both, know many at UChicago, and have had multiple relatives attend Stanford…I also live nearby (used to live in SoCal) and am there all the time. </p>

<p>Based on your pros, I would strongly suggest Stanford for you. </p>

<p>-NorCal arguably experiences more seasons than does the south, but we don’t have weather like Chicago.
-7,000 undergrads does mean less of a chance you’ll run into those friends…
-I’m not sure why many condemn Palo Alto; in fact it’s kind of a great town with many good restaurants and things to do. San Fran isn’t too far either.
-The campus is huge and can be very confusing…at first. Once you figure out the general (circular) idea, it’s not bad. Plus, every inch of the place is very welcoming and relaxed.
-Your claim that “everyone interested in business is only interested in entrepreneurship/tech start-ups” isn’t entirely true. I know a few, including my cousin, who are headed for firms back east. </p>

<p>Finally, if you want a safe bet, Stanford is the way to go. I can’t name a single unhappy or unsuccessful person out of the dozens of Stanford students I’ve known. </p>

<p>But again, both are amazing. You really cannot go wrong. Good luck :)</p>

<p>Are you more concerned with your social life, education, or other factors?
UChicago is quirky, and although both Stanford and UChicago are brilliantly diverse, UChicago people tend to be more socially awkward.</p>

<p>I’d say I’m mainly concerned with social scene and career opportunities. </p>

<p>I’d describe myself as a very social nerd. I love my frat parties and such, but I also love UChicago’s intellectualism. </p>

<p>And as for career opportunities, as I mentioned above, my main worry is finding a job in business not related to entrepreneurship/tech/etc.</p>

<p>And question: If I don’t major in the Management Science & Engineering, am I at a recruiting disadvantage?</p>

<p>Brownford, you bring up a good point! I’ve heard of a couple disgruntled UChicago students, but almost no Stanford ones…</p>

<p>I’ve already visited UChicago, and I like it enough, and I’m (pretty) sure I could spend 4 years there…I guess it’ll just come down to whether or not I like Stanford more. I just wish Stany’s Admit Weekend weren’t so close to May 1st.
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In more ways than one, Palo Alto perfectly symbolizes a lot of what I find wrong with modern society. The Radiohead song “Palo Alto” begins to describe my opinions of the place. Check it out. I’ll share here, though, what is probably most relevant to you.</p>

<p>The three most accessible places–downtown, town and country shopping center, and the mall–are great, if you have loads of money and are looking for fancy products to buy. California Avenue is slightly better, but it’s not too convenient unless one has a car. The rest of Palo Alto is mostly single family homes, car dealerships, strip malls, low to mid-rise offices, athletic fields, and fast food restaurants. For miles, upon miles, upon miles. Suburbia at its finest. </p>

<p>Palo Alto as a whole is still probably better than some other college towns out there. It passes the time, and there are good and varied restaurants to offer a nice change of pace from campus dining. There is a Trader Joe’s right off campus, which is nice. And at least one can always window shop and silently mock the wealthy who will pay upwards of 100 dollars for a pair of yoga pants. </p>

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You should do fine. Consulting firms are big on campus. SF is a major business hub. </p>

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People on this site, who selectively scan my posts, often say I’m disgruntled. I prefer to call it being honest. </p>

<p>It’s hard to find disgruntled students here because those who are will often hide just how disappointed they might be. Last year, one of my good friends finally broke down about the place. I would have never known otherwise, she was all smiles until then, and if I hadn’t complained first I’m not sure she would have opened up to me. It took a lot of trust. I just wonder how many other students are slipping through the cracks.</p>

<p>If you’re a closeted sad person, it’s kind of a “don’t ask, don’t tell” type of thing.</p>

<p>Like you, I’m from Southern California, and wanted a change of scenery for college; I wanted to go out of state and had offers from similar East Coast schools but ultimately chose Stanford for its strength in my field. I don’t know where you’re from, but I was surprised that Nor Cal was such a huge change of scenery, very very different from where I’m from. Like night and day. That’s partly why California is so awesome - it’s like several different states in one.</p>

<p>I had several friends who went to high schools not far from Stanford. When I asked them why they chose to go to school so close (when they got into schools like Yale as well), they said that being at Stanford was like being extremely far away. I was surprised by this; they couldn’t explain exactly why it felt that way, even to the person who lived a few minutes’ walk off campus. My closest friend from Stanford went to a high school that sends lots of people to Stanford each year, and her experience was that you mostly would not encounter them. The freshman class is large enough (1,700) that the few from your high school remain relatively dispersed, and I think the students who make house assignments intentionally separate those from the same high school (e.g. putting one in FloMo, the other in Wilbur, two different parts of the campus). Even when graduating, you’ll still be meeting people in your class that you hadn’t met before.</p>

<p>I won’t pretend that Palo Alto is a college town. But downtown is far better than people make it seem. Yes, much of it is expensive, but there are plenty of places to eat/shop that are not expensive at all (being low-income, I paid a lot of attention to this; awesome decently-priced - even cheap - places in downtown are plentiful, just mostly not on University Ave).</p>

<p>Regarding campus size: it’s large, no doubt. But contrary to popular belief, it is not sparse in the slightest. The buildings are generally close together, and the population density is similar to that of New York. The reason it’s large is that Stanford has tons of strong schools/departments/centers/institutes/programs/labs, and that requires space. The alternative would be to build the buildings even higher, but they’re already pretty high (esp. in the core part of campus), and Palo Alto puts limits on the heights of buildings. Regardless, the campus is large, which means walking from the farthest edge of the campus to the other can take 15-20 minutes.</p>

<p>Re: recruiting, you’re not at a disadvantage at all if you don’t major in MS&E. Companies recruit for a variety of industries and a variety of majors. Lots of students in humanities, social sciences, etc. - not just econ or MS&E - end up working in business, and not just in IT. Remember that the Bay Area covers all sectors, from tech to media to the arts to law to consulting. And companies from all over the nation recruit on Stanford’s campus (consider that a company has to pay thousands of dollars to get access to Stanford’s recruiting fairs - yet they do it in droves because the return on that investment is high).</p>

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<p>Often? Interesting. Perhaps it’s honest for you, but not for most.</p>

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<p>Maybe you’re hanging out with the wrong people? Everyone goes through difficult times during college. But that’s wholly different from disliking Stanford itself. And satisfaction surveys among graduating seniors show that nearly all had a positive experience and would choose Stanford again.</p>

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Well we all have different things to bring to the table. The fact that I often disagree with the majority only makes my opinions more valuable. I add the nuance that would otherwise be lacking. </p>

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Maybe you’re thinking of excuses? I’m very involved on campus- my academic interests are very broad, and my extracurricular pursuits span from the performing arts to residential staffing to counseling to writing for the Daily. I’ve come to meet a lot of people, and the ones I’ve developed friendships with are very diverse. </p>

<p>Never have I met someone who is open about their negative feelings regarding Stanford, and never have I seen an occasion where someone suspected of being unhappy is asked the question. But I know they’re there. Don’t ask, don’t tell. </p>

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That’s a pretty low bar. Positive experience? Compared to most pre-university schooling, Stanford is awesome. And “would choose Stanford again” does not answer whether they are happy or upset with the school. Stanford could be bad for someone in the moment, but it also contributed to that person’s outlook in that moment. </p>

<p>Stanford co-ops, for instance, showed me why the Stanford dorm structure is lacking. I would accordingly prefer a university with more co-ops. But had I gone straight to a co-op heavy university, my outlook might have been different. Such is the life of a modest contrarian.</p>

<p>Anyways back to the OP:

Yeah, it is close. When I went to admit weekend, I had in my mind a few things that Stanford needed to do to convince me not to visit other schools. So, for you, try to think of the things that, if you saw at admit weekend, would convince you to commit. Pay attention to those things. One, for instance, should probably be intellectualism.</p>

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I would not randomly sample students to make a conjecture based on inductive reasoning. That way you could easily draw a wrong conclusion. For class of 2014, 43% of Stanford admits were HYPSM cross-admits, and 32% of enrolled students were HYPSM cross-admits. i.e., about a 3rd of Stanford students could end up with HYPM, but chose to be at Stanford.</p>

<p>^I wonder what alternative you have in mind, then, for how to help the OP with the decision. </p>

<p>One major purpose of admit weekend is to help those on the fence decide, but admit weekend as an institution is almost entirely subjective and anecdotal (how engaging are the classes I visit, how nice is the student who is hosting me, how welcoming are the few faculty I meet). </p>

<p>Since the OP can’t meet everyone, or see everything, he will have to use 2nd best estimations based on info he gathers from current students and things he sees himself.</p>

<p>^Actually it is nice to see some honest (both sides) opinions from Senior0991.
College is all about “fit”…</p>

<p>To the OP: While UChicago is a great school, I think Stanford has the edge. I would go with Stanford. Chicago is too cold, too far, you will be stuck in airports coming home. And S. California is still a change from NorCal.</p>

<p>My guess is that it will be easier for you to experience the intellectual stimulation you want at Chicago, since that is what the school is known for. Their application process selects for that. The economics program is tops, without a doubt. But I am sure that among all the super smart kids at Stanford you will find intellectual soulmates, and the econ dept. is highly regarded too. Also, there are great interdisciplinary options at Stanford, such as combining a public policy focus with an econ. major.</p>

<p>For overall quality of life, Stanford rules pratically every school out there.</p>

<p>I got into both as well, and thinking about going into finance. I chose Stanford though because I’m more inclined towards an engineering degree.</p>

<p>Hey there! I just had to reply cause I was in the same situation as you were-until I committed to Uchicago yesterday :wink:
I’ve visited both, and stayed overnight. My biggest concern for uchicago was the social scene-I was totally afraid that I would miss out on that and that I would meet a lot of sociall awkward kids. However, after staying overnight and going to the craziest party of my life, I can say for sure that should <em>not</em> be concern for you at all!! I’m definitely the work hard and play hard type of girl :slight_smile:
Besides that I have fallen in love with the people of uchicago… just look at the essay questions we had to write for each! All the kids I met at uchicago were incredibly funny, witty, and SMART. Of couse, the kids at Stanford were smart as well, but not the same way that uchicago kids are-you know what I mean? It is a self selecting school, and attracts a particular type of person. they base their whole admissions process on the presence of intellect! If you haven’t already, join the UChicago FB group for class of 2016, the discussions on there are fun and so intellectual. It’s a place that I could totally picture myself having deep discussions with fellow students over dinner and enjoying it-something that I CRAVE after seriously lacking this at my highschool.
At uchicago I know that growing intellectually as a person will be just one amazing outcome. And for me, that is most important. Not only will I have a world-class and amazing education, but I know that I will spend four years fully delving into myself and pushing my limits. I’ll grow as an intellectual being like never before, and add the core in and voila, perfection. And that, my friend, is priceless. Plus, the school reminds me of hogwarts!! have you SEEN the libraries lol? the campus is beauutifulll. you get to participate in the world’s largest scavenger hunt :stuck_out_tongue: and you can’t beat a pheonix mascot!! cmon now, pheonix vs tree? :stuck_out_tongue:
I just reread and saw that you are going for economics. dude. lol. that settles it. I hope you know how freaking amazing U of C is for economics.</p>

<p>and yeah I went on non-admit days, so i got to see what the schools were like without the whole happy-best-behavior atmosphere. if you have any questions PM me!! :)</p>

<p>and also, I really dislike Palo Alto and Stanford’s bubble like campus lol. It was pretty but I felt stifled. the buildings are just wayy too similar looking, red roofs everywhere and same building styles, i felt like I was at taco bell lmao, and add on the lack of seasons…I don’t think i can handle more than a year living like that. you’ve seen the gorgeous architecture of uchicago, there’s variation, and you also get seasons!! :smiley: plus food is better!
[theU.com</a> - Stanford: “The Food” - YouTube](<a href=“theU.com - Stanford: "The Food" - YouTube”>theU.com - Stanford: "The Food" - YouTube)
ahah obviously as you can see, I’m plenty excited and happy with my decision. i know that deep inside you already know what you want-it took me FOREVER to decide but a voice in my head and heart just kept telling me that I could not pass up the chance to be surrounded by the people uchicago attracts and admits. goodluck with your decision, and again you can PM me with any questions :)</p>

<p>(and its easier and more often that econ majors get to study abroad at U of C… something you might not be considering now but will want to probably do in college)</p>