Sticker shock! Cost of attendance from financial award letters.

<p>As you receive a 2014-15 Financial Aid Award Letter please cut and paste this section to your reply box and add your school in alphabetical order.</p>

<p>(dc) = direct costs (tuition, room & board only)
(tc) = total costs (direct costs plus indirect costs as listed in the award letter)</p>

<p>Baldwin Wallace $38,318 (tc)
Carnegie Mellon. $61,422 (dc), $64,422(tc)
Drake $46,385 (dc)
Indiana Out-of-State $47,234 (tc); $44,234 (dc)
Nebraska Wesleyan $36,570 (dc)
Ohio Northern $36,960 (dc)
Oklahoma City University. $49,256 (tc)
Pace University. $ 56,042 (dc)
Rider $50,575
Wagner $52,880 (tc)
Webster $39,404 (dc) </p>

<p>This is SO amazingly helpful! THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU for adding to this!</p>

<p>As you receive a 2014-15 Financial Aid Award Letter please cut and paste this section to your reply box and add your school in alphabetical order.</p>

<p>(dc) = direct costs (tuition, room & board only)
(tc) = total costs (direct costs plus indirect costs as listed in the award letter)</p>

<p>Baldwin Wallace $38,318 (tc)
Carnegie Mellon. $61,422 (dc), $64,422(tc)
Drake $46,385 (dc)
Indiana Out-of-State $47,234 (tc); $44,234 (dc); In-State approx. $23,000 (dc)
Nebraska Wesleyan $36,570 (dc)
Ohio Northern $36,960 (dc)
Oklahoma City University. $49,256 (tc)
Pace University. $ 56,042 (dc)
Rider $50,575
Wagner $52,880 (tc)
Webster $39,404 (dc)</p>

<p>I’m updating my own status – I just had a heart attack over CMU’s costs!!</p>

<p>I began my undergraduate studies at an institution that was so small that it did not even appear on a list of 1,000 schools for voice that was printed in Classical Singer magazine. However, it was REALLY cheap. With scholarship, I only paid $1,600 for my first year. I transferred after my sophomore year to a school that was considered one of the top 10 conservatories. The difference in cost was around $17,000 over the course of four years. That doesn’t seem like a lot now, but over a decade ago it was, in fact the difference was more than all four years combined would have cost at the state school without scholarship. However, the training difference was ENORMOUS. Had I stayed at the state school I have no doubt that I would have never worked in music. In hindsight I realize that I was not getting what I needed to succeed and I would have left way more confident but only slightly better than when I graduated high school. That $17,000 (that I am still paying off), was worth it. When employers see my alma mater on my resume, they know that I have trained at an exceptional institution and that I bring that knowledge to my work.</p>

<p>School costs are way out of hand and unfortunately in many ways its the students’ fault. How? Because colleges survey students and track data on what they want and compare that to what their school does not have. If students say they want luxury style dorms with flat screen TVs and game rooms on the first floor, the university will build it. Then they will raise the price of room and board to cover it. When I went to school, room and board was around $4,000. You got a bunk bed and bad food, but you survived. Now its often $7,000-$10,000 or more and the facilities often rival mid to upper scale hotels. Today’s students want the best technology available, and rightfully so. But to offer that technology costs hundreds of thousands of dollars for smart board, projectors, servers, wi-fi service, and faculty computers and software along with training to use all of the above. The schools raise fees and tuition accordingly. Students frequently say that they want quality sports teams. So schools hire coaches and athletic directors with salaries that often exceed one million dollars a year. When ticket sales are not enough to cover the cost of the teams, tuition payments go up. At top level schools the teams may support themselves and even contribute to the budget, but at smaller schools trying to build a program, that is not usually the case. At the same time, faculty surveys show that wages are actually stagnant or have lagged behind inflation. Most beginning professors with doctorate degrees (outside of medical, business, and law) start at salaries in the low to mid forties, sometimes the same or less than equivalent high school teachers. To me that indicates that the tuition costs are not necessarily associated with improved teaching, but an improved experience. I think my current institution does a great job of holding tuition down and serving the students first, many others do to. But its not always the case.</p>

<p>When you are trying to figure out whether or not the difference in cost is worth it, students and parents need to ask themselves several questions. Is the tuition difference paying for higher quality education or higher quality experience? Is a luxury experience worth the luxury price tag? Is the difference between school A and school B worth the difference in terms of degree/school recognition? You then need to consider the student loan payments. If your student loan payment is going to cost more than a new car payment, you need to think twice. You cannot escape student loans. Period. They claim you can discharge them in bankruptcy under some cases but if you look at the news you will realize that almost never happens. Government loans have an option to pay a small percentage of your salary over the course of 20 years and it is a really good deal. If you qualify for $30,000 of government loans, you should not worry about paying them back, you will be fine. However, if you have to turn to private loans, there is cause to be worried. Private loans have no sympathy for the borrower. They want their money back and they will take you to court and garnish your wages to get it. They will not accept a percentage of your income and they will destroy your credit history if you default. Students should also realize that they can work during school and pay money towards any loans that they take out for room and board. If they were to pay off their room and board tab each semester with a part-time job, their loan balance upon graduation would be significantly less.</p>

<p>My point is that you have to think about the big picture and all of the intricacies of the situation. If you are trying to save $20,000 and the student ends up at a subpar university, it is possible you have thrown away a lot of money. At the same time if you pay $40,000 more to attend a big flashy school with new stadiums, new dorms, and new technology, you may not be paying for anything other than the status of going to that school. Do your research. Also remember that many of these schools are just as worried about enrolling enough students as you are about paying for school. If you have a better offer, call financial aid and ask them to match the other offer. They may not be able to do an exact match but they may come close. On their end its better to have one more student for half-price than no student and no income. If you have extenuating circumstance, bring it up. They do have some discretion to adjust awards. If you have bad credit, apply for a plus loan. If you get denied, your student will have access to government loans to cover tuition and room and board. </p>

<p>~VT</p>

<p>^nothing to add except GREAT post, and thank you! It’s true of every kind of college. The arms race for a “better experience” (well put) is just absurd and has to be contributing to the out-of-control costs. I can’t believe how often I hear parents and students complain about the lack of amenities (not only at colleges but at the independent school where I teach) as though that’s what they’re really “buying” with their tuition dollars. Thank you, VoiceTeacher.</p>

<p>Dorm rooms used to be a great “equalizer”, and students from all walks of life had a similar experience. I’m sad to think it that it may not be true today.</p>

<p>As you receive a 2014-15 Financial Aid Award Letter please cut and paste this section to your reply box and add your school in alphabetical order.</p>

<p>(dc) = direct costs (tuition, room & board only)
(tc) = total costs (direct costs plus indirect costs as listed in the award letter)</p>

<p>Baldwin Wallace $38,318 (tc)
Carnegie Mellon. $61,422 (dc), $64,422(tc)
Drake $46,385 (dc)
Indiana Out-of-State $47,234 (tc); $44,234 (dc); In-State approx. $23,000 (dc)
Nebraska Wesleyan $36,570 (dc)
NYU-Tisch $70,606 (tc)
Ohio Northern $36,960 (dc)
Oklahoma City University. $49,256 (tc)
Pace University. $ 56,042 (dc)
Rider $50,575
Wagner $52,880 (tc)
Webster $39,404 (dc) </p>

<p>Wow!</p>

<p>You know things are crazy when you look at that list and think $50K, not so bad!?!?</p>

<p>As you receive a 2014-15 Financial Aid Award Letter please cut and paste this section to your reply box and add your school in alphabetical order.</p>

<p>(dc) = direct costs (tuition, room & board only)
(tc) = total costs (direct costs plus indirect costs as listed in the award letter)</p>

<p>Baldwin Wallace $38,318 (tc)
Carnegie Mellon. $61,422 (dc), $64,422(tc)
Drake $46,385 (dc)
Indiana Out-of-State $47,234 (tc); $44,234 (dc); In-State approx. $23,000 (dc)
Nebraska Wesleyan $36,570 (dc)
NYU-Tisch $70,606 (tc)
Ohio Northern $36,960 (dc)
Oklahoma City University. $49,256 (tc)
Otterbein University $42,876 (dc)
Pace University. $ 56,042 (dc)
Rider $50,575
Wagner $52,880 (tc)
Webster $39,404 (dc)</p>

<p>Yeah, I just had to write it in red because it was just soooooo 70k. Yow! The best part about it? D was offered a Tisch scholarship for <em>drumroll</em> a whopping One. Thousand. Dollars. </p>

<p>Oh well now that its only $69K it’s total doable.</p>

<p>@voiceteacher - thanks for an excellent post, you bring a voice of reason to the conversation. Throughout this season we have visited quite a few campuses and many of them are gorgeous. That costs money. The new dorms at Columbia Chicago look like luxury condos, with incredible views of the skyline, stainless steel appliances, and granite counter tops. That costs a lot of money. I’d like to send my D there just so we could have a luxury condo to stay at during Bears home games!</p>

<p>The joke around campus at UCF is that it means “Under Construction Forever.” Your reach a point where your ask yourself - exactly what am I getting for my money? Does my kid need to be on vacation every day? The quality of the training should be the first consideration.</p>

<p>Keep in mind - no matter what - there are two types of debt that are almost impossible to discharge through bankruptcy, the IRS and student loans. Why do you think that the government and banks are so quick to hand out student loan money? They have a guaranteed return. In fact, they WANT you to default so they can jack up your interest rates to the point where you are never able to reduce the principal. For them it is a guaranteed income stream for life - your life! The Mafia must admire their methods. </p>

<p>Edited to add an additional thought. Is it possible that the ready availability of government grants and student loans has helped to lead to the increase in college costs? The original intent was noble - make college possible for people from all different segments of society - but have the schools taken advantage of the inflow of cash cash by spending wildly? And then, as was mentioned before, have the applicants added to the costs by demanding sexy new facilities? How can this cycle ever be broken? When the government runs out of money? Is there a student loan bubble that is eventually going to burst like the housing bubble did? The banks can jack up rates when people default. They can go to court and garnish wages. They can file lawsuits. If the graduating kids can’t find a job that will generate income to make even the smallest of payments the system will collapse. You can’t get blood from a stone.</p>

<p>We got that SAME award…from a different school. But S keeps correcting me…, “No, mom…it’s per semester…” Oh, yeah…2K/year. Like that’s MUCH better. LOL!</p>

<p>I lied, I can’t find the PPU letter in the place S calls a room and we only received the merit/talent award from WSU , never receive the full FA </p>

<p>WAAAYYYY back in my day, you had to borrow your roommate’s typewriter to type a paper, or you had for reserve time in one of the two campus typing/computer labs if she didn’t have one. You had to hang out in your room and take turns with your roommate on Sunday nights to talk to your folks, and you had to skip class and crowd around the T.V. in the basement lounge to to keep up with the adventures of Luke and Laura on GH. Oh, and you could play Space Invaders in the tables of bars and restaurants (not that I did any of those things). The IM building had a pool you could swim laps in, and ooohh, a steam room. I think some of the boys might have had Pong, or Donkey Kong, or something on their brought-from-home B & W TVs. My roommate and I lived large wit a popcorn popper and a hot pot - remember those sealed-in-plastic-bag meals you could drop in the hot pot? These whipper-snappers today have it so easy. :wink: </p>

<p>I am confused by something on some of these total costs on the form it has different things of misc. What are those things? They have room board, tuition, books just not sure what that stuff is all about. Are these truly the costs or possible one?</p>

<p>I think the direct cost are the absolutes paid directly to the college - tuition, fees, room and board. Most schools also give you figures for things like books, travel and “other” expenses to help you understand the complete picture of what total costs will be. The latter costs are estimates and your actual,cost can be under or over. Unfortunately each school communicates their costs in their own way which can make it difficult to understand the complete picture until you get your actual FA letter from the school. And it makes it difficult to compare costs from college to college.another thing to think about - even your direct costs for your room and board could vary depending on what dorm and meal plan you choose.</p>

<p>As you receive a 2014-15 Financial Aid Award Letter please cut and paste this section to your reply box and add your school in alphabetical order.</p>

<p>(dc) = direct costs (tuition, room & board only)
(tc) = total costs (direct costs plus indirect costs as listed in the award letter)</p>

<p>Baldwin Wallace $38,318 (tc)
Carnegie Mellon. $61,422 (dc), $64,422(tc)
Drake $46,385 (dc)
Indiana Out-of-State $47,234 (tc); $44,234 (dc); In-State approx. $23,000 (dc)
Montclair $35,365 (dc)
Nebraska Wesleyan $36,570 (dc)
NYU-Tisch $70,606 (tc)
Ohio Northern $36,960 (dc)
Oklahoma City University. $49,256 (tc)
Otterbein University $42,876 (dc)
Pace University. $ 56,042 (dc)
Rider $50,575
Wagner $52,880 (tc)
Webster $39,404 (dc)</p>