<p>I have officially made Penn and Cornell my two favorite Ivy League schools and I will apply to both next winter. But I am so TIRED of EVERYONE saying that these two FINE INSTITUTIONS are Fake Ivy League Schools...its insulting to the founders...ahem, Benjamin Franklin and Ezra Cornell! Visionaries people! I have a 3.5 GPA and a 30 ACT. Everyone says, oh yes, Penn and Cornell will take YOU... As if they settle for mediocrity? Penn and Cornell would not be a part of the Ivy League if they were fluff schools. I have a friend with a 3.9 GPA and a 34 ACT who is planning to apply only to HYP... But there are five other schools in the Ivy League that everyone else seems to forget about!</p>
<p>calm down. MIT, Stanford, Caltech and Georgetown are no laughing matter schools either and they aren’t even considered “Ivy.” It’s just a sports league. Also, Upenn is not a pseudo ivy in any form. Cornell is the stepchild Ivy because of their affiliations with the state.</p>
<p>Uhh I’ve <em>never</em> heard of Penn being called a fake ivy… and even Cornell which is referred to as the easiest to get into is not called a “fake” ivy. not sure where you’re getting this all from…</p>
<p>There are nine Ivy League schools, and Penn is one of them. End of debate.</p>
<p>^there are eight. did i miss the memo when we admitted a 9th school?</p>
<p>Ivy list:
Upenn
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Columbia</p>
<p>Hahaha, epic fail.</p>
<p>(1) The Ivy League is not a supposed measure of academic excellence – it’s an athletic conference.</p>
<p>(2) Some of the colleges in the Ivy League are at polar extremes of educational philosophy – think Brown, with an open curriculum, and Columbia with a very rigid ‘core’.</p>
<p>(3) If you were more secure in knowing why you wanted to apply to Cornell and UPenn, you wouldn’t be so ‘touchy’ about the label.</p>
<p>the majority of people on this subforum are either penn alumni, current penn students, or aspiring penn students.</p>
<p>while i appreciate the sentiment, and agree, you don’t need to lecture us on the quality of the school we love.</p>
<p>thanks for the thought, though</p>
<p>i’ve never heard anything call penn anything less than suburb… maybe it’s because you put penn in the context of cornell, that people said that, but i’ve never heard that about penn and i’ve never heard of anyone forgetting about penn. </p>
<p>now, let’s stop cluttering this forum with childish nonsense. penn is the only ivy out there. cornell doesn’t exist and hyp is just hype.</p>
<p>also, i’d like to note that we are the only ivy that offers freshmen apartment-style living through the freshmen experience.</p>
<p>and i think i read that we have the most questbridge recipients.</p>
<p>Cornell owns UPENN.</p>
<p>i’ve never heard that one before. try convincing ppl outside of the cornell cc forum.</p>
<p>anyway, let’s not bash cornell.</p>
<p>let’s focus on praising penn and its awesomeness</p>
<p>Yes Cornell owns UPenn in educating people for managing hotels. </p>
<p>But anyways what is the point of this thread? Ivy League originally was formed as an athletic league (hence the name Ivy League). Only later was the name used for represented some of the best universities in the US and the world.</p>
<p>I think all IVY league schools should form into one GIGANTIC ALL POWERFUL university.</p>
<p>Nothing good can ever come out of this inflammatory thread. Please stop now, all of you, and go find something more useful to do.</p>
<p>Oops. I meant eight. Epic fail for me indeed lol</p>
<p>if penn is a pseudo ivy then MIT is an online vocational school</p>
<p>As a way to keep Cornell off the list, instead of thinking Ivy, think overlap between Colonial Colleges and Ivy League or check out USNAWR ranking or any other somewhat reputable source. But agreed, this is pretty dumb.</p>
<p>Calling Penn a “psuedo-Ivy” held more weight 10-15 years ago than it does today. I for one don’t get bothered by that sort of thing anymore.</p>
<p>I like turtles.</p>