<p>UK is not bad actually</p>
<p>it prolly isn't.</p>
<p>what??</p>
<p>UK produced the world's greatest engineers. If not for quality, at least go there because of history. Go to Imperial College.</p>
<p>British Engineering has no equal. Though there is not as much money as in the US for extensive research and all that, you'll learn classic stuff.</p>
<p>but its tooo late for the class of 2009 to apply :sigh:</p>
<p>imperial is mad expensive though
is that much money worth it?</p>
<p>THK, I think Imperial would be only slightly more expenssive than Michigan. In terms of Engineering, it is certainly as good (in some ways better, in some ways weaker). It really boils down to what you really want.</p>
<p>k thanks for the advice~</p>
<p>Imperial is far better than UMich for Engineering....It is as good as MIT.</p>
<p>Hash, even MIT is not much better than Michgan in Engineering, so I doubt that Imperial is much better than Michigan. And I have never known anybody who would say that Imperial is as good as MIT. Keep in mind that I am neither American, nor an MIT grad. I am neutral when it comes to MIT and Imperial.</p>
<p>Alexandre, that is a poor philosophy to follow. If suddenly, one day you meet someone that says something about a university, it will make it true?</p>
<p>MIT has a bigger name - agreed. But Imperial defintely provides as good an education as MIT.</p>
<p>Hash, I am not some ignoramus. I know Inperial well. I know several students who went there. I am well acquainted with it. Sure a person can get the best education at Imperial. The same could be said of Michigan or Cornell. But none of those schools are equal to MIT...and that includes Imperial. Whether you like it or not, Michigan and Imperial are about the same. In the US, Michigan is more highly regarded and in the UK, Imperial is more highly regarded. But in absolute terms, they are pretty much at the same level.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think that worldwide Imperial has a better reputation than UMich for engineering. Maybe not in the US, but worldwide it does.</p>
<p>However I'm sure that quality of education is similar in MIT, Imperial and UMich. In the end it's down to the student.</p>
<p>FYI, The Times Higher Education Supplement rankings:</p>
<p>The World's Top Universities (Engineering and IT)</p>
<p>1 University of California, Berkeley (US)
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (US)
3 Stanford University (US)
4 Indian Institutes of Technology (India)
5 Imperial College London (UK)
6 California Institute of Technology (US)
7 Tokyo University (Japan)
8 Cambridge University (UK)
9 National University of Singapore (Singapore)
10 Peking University (China)</p>
<p>seems fair enough i guess?</p>
<p>Hash, I am international and as far as I know, Michigan and Imperial have a similar reputation around the world, and neither comes close to MIT. </p>
<p>As far as the Times rankings, it is British...what do you expect. Obviously, Imperial and Cambridge will be raked highly in their books.</p>
<p>"Hash, I am international and as far as I know, Michigan and Imperial have a similar reputation around the world, and neither comes close to MIT. </p>
<p>As far as the Times rankings, it is British...what do you expect. Obviously, Imperial and Cambridge will be raked highly in their books."</p>
<p>OK, I'll take your word that Michigan and Imperial have a similar worldwide rep.</p>
<p>But just because the ranking is done by the Times that makes it biased towards Imperial and Cambridge? That's an extremely cynical viewpoint to have.</p>
<p>Look at the ranking...6 different countries are represented in the top 10. For God's sake, what do you want? An all American top 10? 20? 50?</p>
<p>I can see no bias. If anything, I think Cambridge should have been higher than 8th.</p>
<p>If the Times wanted to biased they could have placed any of Oxford/UCL/Bath/Nottingham in the top 10 as well. The fact is, the Times has no reason to be biased towards UK universities. It stands nothing to gain. </p>
<p>I would say that the ranking is very fair and representative of the worldwide institutions involved.</p>
<p>Hash, I agree that not all 20 of the top 20 Engineering Programs are American. But I would say that 50% of them are. Certainly, the top 4 programs in the World at this point are. They have the funding, the resources, the facilities and the faculty. Those 4 are MIT, Stanford, Cal and CalTech. </p>
<p>After those 4, I would say that the next 20-25 programs around the world are about equal, and trying to differentiate between them is futile. Those would include several British University, most notably, Imperial, Cambridge, Southampton, Nottingham and Bristol. </p>
<p>There would be at least 4 or 5 French Engineering programs, the most famous being L'Ecole Polytechnique (which is as good and as respected as Imperial) closely followed by Nancy, Toulouse and Grenoble. </p>
<p>From the US, I would say that Illinois, Michigan, Georgia Tech, Cornell and Carnegie Mellon make the cut. </p>
<p>And Asia has 5 or 6 top programs as well. In all, those 20-25 universities are all about equal. </p>
<p>But clearly, a British ranking (like the Times) will be biased toward British Universities. That's nothing personal against the English...but they are human and all humans see their own kind in a better light.</p>
<p>hey hash and you know about the worldwide reputation of Imperial because......?</p>
<p>How would you even know how good Imperial is? Did you graduate from there?</p>
<p>I cannot speak for Hash, but I have actually lived and worked in 7 different countries on three continents. Secondly, as a Human Resources specialist as several Fortune 500 companies, I got to know where large, Fortune 500 companies like to hire. I personally never attended Imperial, but I have heard about its excellence since I was in high school.</p>
<p>no I dont question you Alexandre ( why wont you interchange your last two letters of your name?:) ). Anyway what did you study in UMich?</p>
<p>I am Lebanese, and the Lebanese were colonized by the French. My name is actually spelled the French way.</p>