<p>We need another survey but with a random sampling of commuter students…</p>
<p>@SteveMA, yes, minimum GPAs would be an expectation on the part of the parents. I presume that scholarships would also move the students who received them out of the “fully supported” category. Thus, any student who received a merit scholarship, but whose parents paid the remainder of tuition and fees would not fall into the “fully supported” category. All students receiving a need-based scholarship would also not qualify. Many students receive scholarships of one sort or another, (2/3?).</p>
<p>I would like to read the study, as defining categories would make a difference in outcomes. I’d expect the very elite colleges to be such a small part of the whole sample as to be outliers.</p>
<p>I question the assumption that parents would automatically want their children to achieve the highest GPA. I think many parents would rather have a child who pledged a fraternity, made connections, and completed a degree, than a child who had a high GPA. I am not in the group of parents who feel that way, but I do suspect there are quite a few parents who would rather their child be a member of a fraternity than receive As in History.</p>
<p>D2’s intended major has a GPA requirement, as does her Honors College and scholarship. That seems to have motivated her pretty well so far. She has spoken about keeping her grades up much more often this past semester than she ever has before.</p>
<p>SteveMA, I thought it would be less prevalent at the “top” schools because the admissions standards are so high for just about everyone. I was thinking of less selective schools with smaller endowments needing more full pay students and reserving only a few full scholarships for those with merit and need. But my thinking may be totally wrong and the truth is the opposite. This wouldn’t be the first time. : )</p>
<p>What the more selective schools (not all of them, but some) have going for them is that they have high rate of completion. Look at the percentage of students that graduate in 6 years. Kinda sad that it is reported on a 6 year interval. </p>
<p>When it comes to these studies one can pull an series out to examine and come up with a conclusion, but looking at the whole picture imay not give the same results.</p>
<p>Count me as another person who is skeptical. To me this smacks of a “lets take those spoiled rich kids down a notch” mentality that some people seem to enjoy. My D was full pay, didn’t have to work and was very academically successful. And the only grades I care about are the ones that my own kids earn.</p>
<p>I am extremely skeptical of the word “cause”. Could there be a correlation? Absolutely! But I seriously doubt paying for it directly causes the lower GPA. I’d guess it’s something else entirely.</p>
<p>[Study</a> finds that increased parental support for college results in lower grades | Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/01/14/study-finds-increased-parental-support-college-results-lower-grades]Study”>Study finds that increased parental support for college results in lower grades)</p>
<p>Lots of red meat in this article…</p>
<p>Here’s the actual abstract:
<a href=“http://asr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/01/03/0003122412472680.abstract[/url]”>http://asr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/01/03/0003122412472680.abstract</a></p>
<p>No kidding!! Will check back in!</p>
<p>I think this thread is the same as this one:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1446769-financial-support-parents-can-cause-lower-college-grades.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1446769-financial-support-parents-can-cause-lower-college-grades.html</a></p>
<p>While this is a YMMV depending on the individual student, what I’ve observed is that the security of having full-pay parents, especially permissive ones is that some feel there’s more room to screw up or otherwise goof-off in college that isn’t felt as much among those from lower socio-economic backgrounds. </p>
<p>The ones who were the hardcore drinkers at my friends’ undergrad colleges or at my LAC…the hardcore stoners/psychedelic users or those who barely crawl over the graduation line with 1.7-mid-2.x cumulative GPAs tend to come from more permissive full-pay families. </p>
<p>While there are also screwups and slackers along with the academically underprepared among poorer kids, the vast majority tend to be gone by the end of the first year or even semester as rightfully hardnosed parents and/or lost scholarships/FA take their toll. </p>
<p>Also, speaking for myself, there’s no way I’d have the financial means to pay for the booze/drugs I’ve seen/smelled/heard undergrads imbibe at other colleges/my LAC even if I were so inclined. Even nowadays, I feel a twinge of guilt over buying a $5-7 bottle/mug of beer for myself at a NYC bar when drinking socially with friends even though that’s well within my current economic means. </p>
<p>Their stories are more likely to be the ones like some neighborhood kids/older undergrads/colleague whose parents(often fathers) told them they MUST FIND any minimum wage job or enlist in the military after their first mediocre/failed stint in college. Most weren’t even given the privilege of going to community colleges as that still cost money and the parents may not have the means or the willingness to risk scarce family finances on what they may perceive as a highly risky bet based on a lackluster/failing undergrad track record.</p>
<p>Drinking and screwing around in undergrad can prepare you for leadership, engineering and/or management.</p>
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<p>The NYT now has an article on the study:
[Parents Financial Support Linked to College Grades
By TAMAR LEWIN
New York Times
January 14, 2013](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/education/parents-financial-support-linked-to-college-grades.html”>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/education/parents-financial-support-linked-to-college-grades.html</a>)</p>
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<p><a href=“Parents’ Financial Support Linked to College Grades - The New York Times”>Parents’ Financial Support Linked to College Grades - The New York Times;
<p>Discuss.</p>
<p>the lowest grades were earned by children whose parents essentially supported them without much discussion of student responsibilities.</p>
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<p>We supported our D and currently support our S by paying for college. We are absolutely not rich, but we make paying for their educations a priority in our lives. We have never had to discuss their “student responsibilities” with them. D graduated magna cum laude from a top school, and she thanked us for giving her the opportunities we gave her. S is plugging away in college - he had a low grade in a class two semesters ago & has been working extra hard since to make up for it. He has also expressed gratitude for all we do for him. No one interviewed my kids - it doesn’t make for an interesting story, I guess. ;)</p>
<p>Classic correlation or causation problem.</p>
<p>yeah, I’m not above a bribe. I pay the youngest for grades of A or B. I charge for D’s.</p>
<p>So far, lots of As and Bs, no Ds.</p>
<p>A few Cs</p>
<p>Before we paid for grades, lots of Cs and the occaisonal A when she liked the teacher. If I didn’t pay for college? She wouldn’t go. She already has a great job she could live off of in the real world. Great work ethic. Go figure. :rolleyes: </p>
<p>She is perfectly capable of easily getting good grades but isn’t motivated by teacher approval or grades. Hence: we pay for grade.</p>
<p>My kids never fit into any of the bell curves on those studies anyway. They are always their whole own story.</p>
<p>Pay for play has been a mainstay in the Turbo household for years. As DD1 is going for her 4th Dean’s List semester in a row and the rewards are getting pretty costly I wonder if I can use FAFSA money :). </p>
<p>The system does work well for us, we’ve been using it since middle school…</p>
<p>I just tell my kids, “Have a little bit of self respect.”
H says, “Your life could be easy or it could be kind of difficult.”
Nothing you could report to the child protection agency.</p>