<p>The troubling part is that there are people who are court ordered to live there.</p>
<p>The bottom line is–ALL freshman dorms Should be substance free…
So are we saying that breakng the law is ok? No
And I think choosing sub free is a great idea…I think when kids weigh the pors and cons–the pros outweigh the cons. Kids make freinds in the major/classes, teams, clubs,etc not just the dorms.</p>
<p>At our student’s U, it is equally acceptable to not drink as it is to drink–and that was a compelling reason to choose the school.</p>
<p>Our student doesn’t have a choice of substance free dorms…though for varous reasons has strong opinions about being substance free now (academics, athlete, and faith etc)
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at the same time is not planning on telling a roomate etc how to live. </p>
<p>I expect though if kiddo’s roomate turns out to be a binge drinker/vomit kind of roommate–something will be said because its about respect for others living in the same area…</p>
<p>Its not the drinking thats the issue–its the lack of respect for others, property etc that is the issue…kwim</p>
<p>I don’t understand how a university can turn a blind eye to underage drinking. I would think that having a policy that allows underage drinking as long as the dorm room door is open puts the university at risk for a lawsuit in the event of an overdose or traffic fatality. So many people sue so easily, I can’t see buying or providing any underage student with any drugs or alchohol. I live in a college town and we have had a number of lawsuits for this very reason. Parents go after anyone and everyone to recover lost tuition, hospital bills, home nursing, damaged autos etc. They sue parents, boyfriends, bars, the university, the frats and the city when that same student has been drinking at home for years whilt underage.</p>
<p>POIH…You are definately crossing the line and you really should stop. If you are so intelligent than why have you not learned to respect others? I would not say anything to you about your obvious lack of religious beliefs, and I respect any atheist who leads a good and honerable life. You should as an intelligent man do the same for those who practice their religion.</p>
<p>To be perfectly honest with you…you need to just stop. You are making yourself look and sound like an a–.</p>
<p>Northeastmom: you said you noticed “this”. I took that to mean “extremely religious” kids. I guess I misread your post. My mistake.</p>
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Or possibly that their parents were hovering over them when they filled out the request or worse, the parent actually filled out the request in place of the student.</p>
<p>Another consideration is that a number of students may have been sub free up to the point of college, and may have thought they wanted sub free, but once they’re there they change their minds and start using substances. I guess sub free is really just an intent and not always reality for everyone. I also don’t get the idea of a court ordered placement in one - that makes no sense and isn’t going to limit the student from doing what they want once they’re there.</p>
<p>And yes, all dorms s/b technically sub free since they’d otherwise likely be breaking the law.</p>
<p>“Person having extreem view of anything should be avoided.” -POIH </p>
<p>POIH: Your views are extreme. You should be avoided.</p>
<p>Thecheckbook: The university is doing the opposite of turning a blind eye. The idea is to keep kids from drinking in secret, where they are more likely to drink to excess, and less likely to seek help if someone gets in trouble. They aren’t encouraging wild parties so long as the door is open. Of course, this is all moot on sub free.</p>
<p>The big problem with substance free is the astronomical amount of kids who are there because of court order or because they are “90 days sober.” </p>
<p>I pay truckloads of money to make sure my children are not around these influences in their everyday lives, why would I want to choose to have them live around such people.</p>
<p>Bowtie, that might be true for some but I’ve never seen it or my children. They were just students, that were smart, nice and just didn’t want to have drinking in their room. I’m not saying there aren’t students that have to be there, they just weren’t noticable or the ones my chidren met. I also feel, that students trying to stay sober for any reason aren’t to be avoided unless other behavior is there that is bad.</p>
<p>Unbelievable remarks:</p>
<p>The big problem with substance free is the astronomical amount of kids who are there because of court order or because they are “90 days sober.” I pay truckloads of money to make sure my children are not around these influences in their everyday lives, why would I want to choose to have them live around such people.</p>
<p>I can’t even find words to comment.</p>
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<p>A rather wide-ranging statement, is it not?</p>
<p>Any proof of this? What defines astronomical?</p>
<p>Are the majority of people on sub free normal kids who just want a quieter living area? Yes. But there are a few people who were forced to be there by parents or whoever, and the rules didn’t stop them from drinking on the floor. Definitely the exception, not the rule, though…</p>
<p>BowTieFratty, that’s a blanket generalization, incorrect & not the case at all from my experience.</p>
<p>My D CHOSE a sub-free dorm at a nearby State U., an institution that has been named a national top 10 party school for many years running. It’s also one of the top public U’s academically in the US. My D loved everything about the school, but does not drink or party. So…when this sub-free dorm became available–at the SAME price & she got to choose earlier than other freshmen–she grabbed it.</p>
<p>It turned out to be great for her. She met many to-be lifelong buddies on the floor & the U. sponsored and paid for pizza parties, etc., to promote this way of living. Certainly, some of the kids were a little more religious & quieter, but what’s wrong with that? There was also the normal floor ‘drama’ you’ll find in ANY dorm. And, my D did not meet ONE person there who was there by court order.</p>
<p>“I pay truckloads of money to make sure my children are not around these influences in their everyday lives, why would I want to choose to have them live around such people.”</p>
<p>Bowtie, I am curious as to how you make sure your children are not allowed around these influences in their everyday lives. In my experience, substance use/abuse knows no economic/social bounds.</p>