<p>wwlink, lets not get carried away. pretty much most of the ap classes ive taken are much harder than community college courses.</p>
<p>I wonder how they select the top graduating senior. I would imagine that there are plenty of people who graduate with a 4.0 gpa. So how do they choose between them? My guess is that something in the other criteria (other than GPA) selects against transfer students, and that is why this guy is the first Transfer to get the award. </p>
<p>Also, I really don’t find it hard to believe that, when speaking in GENERAL terms, transfer students are less deserving of admissions to CAL than the high school admits. Probably not by much though. If i were to hazard a guess, 39.56% of transfer students are “better” than 50% of freshman admit students. </p>
<p>I find it really funny on these discussions when people make general claims, like the one I just made, then others try and discredit that claim with a singular example. You can’t successfully argue against a statistical claim about a large group by pointing at 1 or 10 people. But on the other hand (you have different fingers), it’s equally funny when people make claims about a single member in a group based on an average characteristic of that group.</p>
<p>As a transfer student, I can actually understand why many people who got in as a freshman would be upset. The people I new in HS who got into CAL and UCLA worked much harder than myself. I suspect that, on average, freshman admits worked harder to be admitted. I might be upset to, if I worked that hard, then transfers (like my actual self :D) who worked half as much, got into the same university. I suspect it wouldn’t seem fair. </p>
<p>But even if I were to be a little miffed (and I probably wouldn’t be because worrying about things like that is pointless), I wouldn’t be angry at the actual transfer students. It’s not their (my) fault. That would just be foolishness on top of silliness.</p>
<p>oh, and i’m really tiered. So please excuse anything really strange that I wrote :D</p>
<p>I can’t believe anyone would have anything bad to say about this guy. Can’t everyone just be happy that we have people who are motivated to do good in this world? Sheesh. Some people at Berkeley wear some serious thorns.</p>
<p>It’s ABSOLUTELY true that the majority of freshman applicants worked much harder than the average transfer kid. Getting a 3.8 at a community college in an easy major is NOT AS HARD as what those kids went through in high school. I’d wager to say that not just their work ethic is better, but they’re just overall, more intelligent too.</p>
<p>Granted, the difference in caliber of student in transfer vs freshman admit is most pervasive in SC, SD, Davis, ect, it’s still there at UCLA and Berkeley too. Out of all my friends who got into Berkeley, I can’t say that even half of them belong there. They aren’t smart enough to be at the world’s most preeminent public university. Quite honestly, the transfer student does not bode well for Berkeley. I’m not sure if I am smart enough for Berkeley. (let alone Cornell) I got a 4.0 thus far at community college, and don’t feel like I deserve any accolades for it.</p>
<p>Transfer kids, on the whole, (NOT EVERYONE, SFWARRIOR. You and I applied to Stanford and such, we are different than the general UC transfer student who has never even heard of any outside private school. Everyone who’s on this website is different from the general UC transfer student.) are subpar to freshman admits.</p>
<p>BUT WHO CARES? We should be grateful for this opportunity allotted to us, but also be humble.</p>
<p>RileyJohn honey baby love you dont think i am smart enough for Berkeley? :(</p>
<p><em>POW!</em></p>
<p>@Riley lol I like the little call out. Im still pretty bitter about stanford but oh well… It is true, in GENERAL(oh how generalities peeve me), transfer students did not work AS hard as the frosh admits.</p>
<p>@jane no you can’t cut it at berkeley, you should go to UCLA. hahahaha :D<br>
take the challenge! take it!</p>
<p>@riley I’d argue that it is ALL work ethic. You said that you thought that the high schoolers were also overall more intelligent, but I disagree. Many people (like me) majorly slacked off in high school, before they found a singular goal to go after. Then, once they found it, many of those people decided to try harder. I tried harder, but still not as hard as I possibly can, and got a 3.9 at a cc. I know that going to berkeley, I’ll need to work even harder, and I’m prepared for that, because my CC has led me down an even more specific path. All I needed (like many others) was more motivation. It doesn’t mean that I am now smarter than I was in high school, when I got a 2.8 graduating gpa. I’m just more motivated. </p>
<p>PS: are you even a transfer? Why hate on your own kind? hahaha</p>
<p>double postering102030405060708090char</p>
<p>Transfer students REPRESENT!</p>
<p>Why dont we just divide the transfer students into several categories… I nominate myself into the ivy/cal/stanford/ucla caliber transferee…</p>
<p>…because we all can’t be as humble as SF</p>
<p>lol haahahahah</p>
<p>I think riley Jon is just facing a little self esteem issue, and he is using us to help make himself feel a little better.<br>
So riley is a transfer, but he feels like he is a smart guy. So he decides to put transfers down, and then elevate himself to a transfer + ranking. Transfer + meaning the type of transfer who applied to stanford. Well, riley, u didn’t get into stanford, and neither did I. But you did get into UCLA and Berkeley, and so did I. So please stop trying to convince yourself that you are somehow better than me or any other transfer. You are not. You are not some special level of person somewhere in between berkeley and Stanford - almost good enough for Stanford, but too good for cal. No. U are not. You are a Stanford reject and a cal admit, so get used to it, brother, and stop trying to convince us that freshman admits are the only TRUE geniuses in the world, besides u.</p>
<p>I think getting into Cornell puts me exactly into that spot you’re talking about.</p>
<p>I wasn’t even going down that route AT ALL, seeing how in my first post I explicitly stated, “I don’t even think I’m smart enough for Berkeley. I got a 4.0 in community college and don’t feel like I deserve any accolades for it.”</p>
<p>BUT, now that you’ve brought it up! I like the idea of this little echelon I’m in! Thanks!</p>
<p>:( :(</p>
<p>@riley: i got into haas, which is a far greater achievement than getting into cornell. i would have easily been accepted to cornell AEM. but i didn’t bother applying bc its business program is ranked so low. u think getting accepted to cornell makes u smart?</p>
<p>yes, he is smart.</p>
<p>a lil mean, but definitely smart.</p>
<p>Getting into UCB from a CC is a joke. You pick an easy major, get an avg GPA, join a few clubs, and you’re basically set. Even if you choose a more “difficult major,” you will never have it more difficult than HS students. I went to a very competitive high school and we had several students with 4.0+'s and 2XXX SAT scores who did not get in. They ended up going to UCSD or chose a private school. </p>
<p>I know several people from HS who REALLY tried in school and tried to stay competitive (they took several AP’s, interned, joined clubs, etc). They ended up with a ~3.7 gpa and they took the CC route. One of my friends, 3.5 in HS, basically never showed up to his CC classes and would just play StarCraft if he actually attended (I know because he would be on Ventrilo and I could hear the lectures). He got into Berkeley with a CC gpa of 3.9 because it was so easy to maintain a high GPA at CC than it was in HS.</p>
<p>thank you. ^</p>
<p>and I probably could have gotten into Haas too. Not the business type.</p>