<p>riley, i think everyone knows that cornell’s transfer admissions is a joke. isn’t there acceptance rate for transfers like over 35%? i think thats higher than cal’s rate… seriously bro, dont stroke your own **** too much just cause u think ur so much smarter than everyone. cause (despite what your Cornell acceptance might lead you to think) you’re not. </p>
<p>p.s, im completely ready for your predictable sarcastic remark. just try to make it a LITTLE original please.</p>
<p>^ i like you. you raise a valid point…about the acceptance rate thingy. </p>
<p>well RileyJohn what do you have to say to this?
lol</p>
<p>I don’t think I’m smarter than everyone because of Cornell. I think that for other reasons.</p>
<p>And, you’re completely false about Cornell’s acceptance rating. Granted, it’s high, but Berkeley’s is much higher.</p>
<p>For example, Anthropology and Philosophy majors have an OVER 50% chance of getting into Berkeley. That’s a bit absurd.</p>
<p>Also, I’m too tired for a sarcastic remark. My apologies.</p>
<p>@riley Then go to Cornell if it makes you that special. Otherwise, if you go to Berkeley, you will always feel like you have to TELL people that you are special because you were admitted to Cornell, but didn’t go (kind of like you’re telling us now).</p>
<p>@janey noo janey don’t give me that sad face! u know what I was doing, right? I was trying to get u to go to berkeley with me by saying u couldn’t cut it there haha. sort of reverse psychology…hoping you would rise to a challengee…lol</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter if transfers are “less qualified” than freshman admits. The thing is, we all got in with our own special merits. 
The beauty of UC Berkeley and the UC system is that they work with our CCC and EXPECT students (whether hot out of high school or 28 year old) to enter that way. UC Berkeley is about diversity and differences in the student body!! </p>
<p>PEACE</p>
<p>Cornell is a far superior institution to Berkeley. It is ranked # 15 this year while Berkeley is at # 22. Cornell’s transfer acceptance rate is high because a LOT of those are guaranteed transfers: freshmen who were given the option to transfer to Cornell after 2 years provided they maintained a certain GPA.
Cornell is an Ivy League school and is infinitely more reputable than Cal. Cal is ridiculously easy to get into. as some1 pointed out, maintain a 3.5+ GPa at a CCC, do a few clubs and whip out 2 measly essays and you’re in. Getting into Cal from a CCC is really not that big of an achievement. they don’t even ask for recommendation letters or high school transcripts!
Be sorry you were too mediocre to even aim for a place like Cornell or if you did, you failed.</p>
<p>^Stating Cornell is a far superior institution to Cal…honestly that may be one of the most ill-informed and ignorant statements I have ever heard. According to you, the only two things that merit a school’s rankings are transfer students low end GPAs and rankings of US News And World Report. Please do some research, Cal at minimum is equal to Cornell if not superior.</p>
<p>“Cornell is a far superior institution to Berkeley”</p>
<p>I lol’d. Please tell me how many programs Cornell has ranked in the top 10, and compare that to the number of programs Berkeley has ranked in the top 10. When the rankings (USNEWS) leave out endowment from the ranking criteria, Berkeley comes in at #3 [ARWU</a> 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp). Cornell is not too shabby either, but your strong statement in favor of Cornell is quite erroneous imo.</p>
<p>ARWU is not considered a reputable soruce of rankings. It is conducted by some nondescript university in China. US news has conducted its rankings since decades and is considered a standard for American schools along with the Princeton Review. </p>
<p>And yes the fact that it is much more difficult to get into Cornell as a frosha nd as a transfer means it has a more rigorous and qualified student body. It also has a much smaller student body than overcrowded Cal. Being a public school, Cal is subject to the state’s financial problems and has to admit a lot of otherwise “unworthy” students. I know tonnes of ppl who can’t get the classes they want at Cal coz of long waitlists. </p>
<p>And seriously its not that big a deal to get into Berkeley or UCLA as CCC transfers. Its quite manageable for B+ students. Getting into Cornell or comparable institutions at best you’d have to be an A student or an A+ student with outstanding extra-curriculars. </p>
<p>Berkeley is an awesome place but it is by no means “the place” to be. Big Red!!</p>
<p>Time for you to leave Chris noonelikesyou</p>
<p>Normally I would stay out of threads like these but I strongly disagree with you Riley. </p>
<p>I had a 3.0 (exactly) GPA in HS. I took the SATs drunk and got a 1740. I never took any SAT 2s. I have no impressive APs. I got a 2 in US, 3 in Euro, a 4 in Micro/Macro, and a 5 in Gov. I spent most of my time in high school sleeping. I didn’t even go to my high school graduation.</p>
<p>I am now a Berkeley admit for Economics. You probably believe that I’m a grossly sub-par transfer student that doesn’t deserve to be among those freshmen admits. I’m sure if you had your way you would admit another freshmen admit and reject me. But there’s more to the story then just grades. I don’t come from a poor family but there were are a lot of reasons that I didn’t do well in high school. I’m going to sum them all by simply saying I wasn’t happy.</p>
<p>After finishing high school I came to terms with a lot of things that had happened in my life. I wasn’t happy with the position I put myself in and wanted to do anything to change it. It wasn’t an easy process and it didn’t happen overnight. I did a lot of soul searching and started applying myself in different places. I started doing better in school and finished my 60 unit requirement with IGETC 1 year (without APs).</p>
<p>In that time, I impressed one of the top 4% of consultants at Gerson Lehrman Group ([Gerson</a> Lehrman Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerson_Lehrman_Group]Gerson”>Gerson Lehrman Group - Wikipedia)) at a conference. He wanted me to begin taking over his phone consultations so he could focus on doing more in-person consultants. I had no prior experience in the field of telecommunications (his expertise) and was able to smoothly transition into the position. After 2-3 months, I began consulting for hedgefund/pe mangers, investors, executives in fortune 500 companies and many other wall street types. This position was <em>very</em> lucrative. </p>
<p>After the crash of the housing market (consulting dwindled), I moved to the real estate finance space. I helped create one of the most influential companies for debt settlement, loan modification (residential and commercial), debt/credit consolidation, and credit repair.</p>
<p>Today? I work at one of the top advertising firms in California as a media buyer (kind of like an IBanker for advertising).</p>
<p>I wasn’t able to share all of this in my UC application (I had no idea that the company would blow up at the time and the advertising position is like from a month ago). I was probably only admitted on my grades, essays, and my ECs.</p>
<p>I didn’t post this to brag or show that I’m “one of you” and not “one of them.” The truth is that intelligence is next to impossible to accurately measure. Most people never live up to their potential because of depression, lack of ambition or simply a difference of priorities. After reading what you’ve said, I can’t help but feel that you’ve measured intelligence by high school performance.</p>
<p>Is that to say the transfer process is perfect? God no. </p>
<p>But you can’t measure intelligence by grades or achievements. Maybe you can measure ambition but even that seems to be a stretch. </p>
<p>Here’s a story for you, I was hanging out in front of this library and this girl overheard me say something about math and she asked if I could help her. She kinda reminded me of a white supremacist but I said sure. She asked something trivial about fractions and I showed her how to do it and then she started doing it on her own. It required multiplying large numbers (3-4 digits). She was able to do it with computing them. She would multiply 3-4 digit numbers against other 3-4 digit numbers in her head in less than second. I was beyond impressed. </p>
<p>I’m doubtful to believe she’ll even transfer to a CSU. This girl had a lot natural smarts but seemed like she raised in a very difficult environment. Do my achievements outshine her natural talents? Hard to say.</p>
<p>But the point of the story is that you can’t take any person for face value. You don’t know their experiences and you have no place to critique their performance based on “numbers.” There’s a lot more to people then just the numbers.</p>
<p>@Chris </p>
<p>You didn’t answer my question, so I will ask it again: “Please tell me how many programs Cornell has ranked in the top 10, and compare that to the number of programs Berkeley has ranked in the top 10”</p>
<p>USNews puts a significant amount of weight on the school’s overall endowment and other factors that prevents public Universities from ranking high compared to private institutions. Because of this, it is unfair to compare Private Universities to public universities. In fact, Stanford basically said that Berkeley deserved to be in the top 12 schools nationally. </p>
<p>But you can keep rubbing your ego and thinking that Cornell is some haven for brilliant and successful students, while Berkeley is full of monkeys.</p>
<p>I am with whatasunnyday on this one. Nicely written response.</p>
<p>NRC ranked programs -for graduate programs only not undergrad- are here:</p>
<p>[NRC</a> Rankings](<a href=“NRC Rankings”>NRC Rankings)
FWIW, these are graduate rankings and some of the strong undergraduate progams at Cornell (eg Architecture) do not necessarily lead to graduate study.</p>
<p>Berkeley has awesomely rated graduate programs, someone posted that they don’t often admit their own undergraduates into those top grad programs, if true that’s just a shame.</p>
<p>@Chris,</p>
<p>Cornell is definitely not “far superior” to Berkeley (it may not even be better than Berkeley at all). The basis for your argument stems from the outcomes of the fact that Berkeley is a PUBLIC SCHOOL and Cornell is a PRIVATE SCHOOL. This difference plays out in US News’ rankings as well as in CCC->Berkeley acceptance rates.</p>
<p>Your argument that the ARWU rankings are unreliable and the US News rankings are reliable is really where you lost all of your credibility. The US News rankings are completely unreliable and are completely biased toward old American universities.</p>
<p>Also, your evidence for why the ARWU rankings are unreliable was that they come from a “nondescript university in China.” Well, the US News rankings come from PRIVATE AMERICAN CORPORATION that specializes in POLITICS, EDUCATION and HEALTH. Now, let’s think for a second… The Chinese rankings place more emphasis on science and research whereas the US News rankings place more emphasis on English and American dominant culture aspects (income, politics, law, English, rhetoric, etc).</p>
<p>Also, do you think the people working for US News are mostly in the sciences or in the arts?</p>
<p>Now on top of all this take into account and consider why Berkeley’s programs rank so consistently high whereas Cornell’s do not. And then consider that, including all of the US News’ dumb and irrelevant criteria, Cornell’s US News ranking is only 7 higher than Berkeley’s.</p>
<p>Check it out: <a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/pres-provost/president/speeches/961206gcfallow.html[/url]”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/pres-provost/president/speeches/961206gcfallow.html</a></p>
<p>Private is inherently better than public! lool. private fosters exclusivity and elitism…public is for commoners and average ppl. :P</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>You’re silly.</p>
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<li>Michael :P</li>
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<p>Sure, both schools are great , but at the end of the day , most people at either school don’t have anything under their belts other than just being a student there.</p>
<p>Specifically for traditional students who enter at 18 and leave at 22, there are many who graduated a year or two ago that are still unemployed. Why? Maybe because they thought the name of their school will open doors instead of pursuing faculty to be part of a research project or participate in major/career related events/programs.</p>
<p>This is pretty common for the UCs , especially UCLA because it has a popular and catchy name and of course strength in most departments. I’m sure at every CCC people overhear other students talk up a storm about wanting to go to UCLA and all other things UCLA. That’s great and all , but of those students that get accepted, how many actually get INVOLVED during their two years?</p>
<p>I’m sure there are exceptions from this forum , but you have to understand that the 40-50 people who actually post on this forum is a TINY representation of the entire transfer pool.</p>
<p>But anyways, hats off to Josh Biddle for being one of the few transfer students that continue to work hard after transferring.</p>
<p>whatasunnyday - thanks for ur post. I completely agree, great points.
calitrumpet - I love u too man! haha I love hearing about problems with those rankings, and I have no idea why us news even thinks it is acceptable to measure anything by endowment.</p>