Swimmer Athlete Chance my Daughter - Dartmouth, others

Chance Me / Match Me!
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  • Demographics: International, Woman, No Legacy, Multi Racial
  • Major: Environmental science, Biology
  • 3.90 UW GPA, Unranked, 1480 SAT
  • IB Math, Physics, Biology, Econ, English, Chinese
  • Extracurriculars: Swim Club team captain, School varsity team, School running team, Volunteering teaching swimming to disadvantaged children and low income adults, swimming fund raising for Down Syndrown National Swim Team
  • Schools: Dartmouth & other competitive schools with D3/Ivy swimming programs including
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No other schools listed. Is Dartmouth recruiting you ?

If not you seem solid. But it’s Dartmouth so there’s no way to know. Also they list their median sat reading and writing on their website. You may want to look there to determine if you should go TO if you haven’t yet applied. I’d say no but I don’t know how you got to 1480. And based on the #s 1480, as crazy as it sounds, might be low. Good luck.

https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/class-profile-testing

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This implies you are applying to Ivy League schools only. Is that true? Their admission %ages for international students are very low
and that includes even top stats applicants from other countries.

What country are you from? If it’s a significantly disadvantaged third world country, that would be different than some others.

Then again
if your school has an IB program and a strong swimming team, perhaps not.

Could you tell us more about how you chose your colleges?

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Note that, based on posting history, the OP is a parent and the student is currently a high school junior.

For this interest, this site may be helpful:

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If you have full coach support your chances are pretty much 100%. If no coach support your odds are the same as anyone else with that profile, which is excellent but not outstanding (from an Ivy perspective). So, what, 10%?

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The list includes D3 competitive schools with swim programs (John Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, Chicago, Swarthmore, Tufts, Wesleyan, Amherst, Loyola). The colleges are officially selected based on academics & swimming “fit”

Not from a third world country, but have Hispanic/European/Asian ancestry.

DC is a junior, C24

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Definitely prioritizing based on coach interaction, and will hopefully go ED with full coach support.

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Which Loyola ? Chicago, Maryland, New Orleans ?

Admission wise yes to all 3.

If I had to guess and taking out swimming, then Wesleyan. I think there’d be an above average chance.

Finances may play an issue for most the list unless you are full pay.

Best of luck.

Since swimming will dictate your list and you’re nearly a year away from apps, I assume the list will fluctuate over time.

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Loyola Marymount. You guessed Wesleyan as the highest probility of acceptance? we believe/hope it’s mostly driven by coach opinion/level of coach support/and of course likelihood of receiving Likely Letter.

for internationals, there is very limited financial aid, so target will be home country scholarship/funding.

back to the original question which was “Chance me for Dartmouth as a sports/swimming candidate”

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Dartmouth is both need blind and meets full need for all accepted international students. No merit aid
but most of the colleges on your list don’t have merit aid.

So does Amherst.

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The daughter needs her own account. Account sharing is prohibited per Terms of Service.

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You don’t list any swim times, so I’m not sure how you expect to be chanced. Have you checked all team rosters and feel there is an opening in your sons stroke and distance? Without that, he is just another International applicant.

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Exactly. Your chances all come down to your swimming, not your academics, once you’ve met the academic bar.

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Most of the ‘Loyolas’ are D1 programs. They are urban schools and very different from Dartmouth.

One thing you should look at is how much traveling you are willing to do. Dartmouth is far from all other schools and being on the team will involve a lot of bus travel around New England. My daughter was an athlete and her first year the coach made a brutal schedule for them (it was coach’s first year too). They had three weekend bus treks in a row, in April when the girls were getting ready for finals. They were exhausted. The following year the coach figured out they didn’t have to travel that much, that they were in Florida and many teams were willing to come to them over spring break. MUCH easier. By daughter’s 4th year, they were hardly traveling at all, a very good thing.
You might look at Queens College in North Carolina. It is switching to D1, mostly because of the swim team and how great they’ve done . I think it is the wrong decision because the other sports are going to be demolished in D1, but they forgot to ask my opinion before doing this. Academically it is not on par with Amherst and Harvard, but it may be a good option for you as they increase the number of scholarships awarded and need strong swimmers to make the change. It is a beautiful school in the southern tradition of green lawns and red brick buildings and obviously is serious about athletics. Florida tech also has a lot of international athletes and is D2, but strong in swimming (as are most Florida schools). The pool is gorgeous, and outside for year round swimming.

There are a lot of options for swim programs that aren’t in the top academic tier but would give you a good education and good swimming. Do your recruiting with the Ivies and such, but don’t eliminate good swim programs because they aren’t ranked academically at the top. Your chances are much better by expanding your search. You might find your best match in Ohio or Florida or Georgia. You haven’t even told us what you want to study. Another school may be a better fit than just saying “I want an Ivy” or “I want something in the top 10”. Everyone would like to go to Stanford and swim with the Olympians, but the chances of that are really slim. If you really are an Ivy level recruit, you’ll soon know because you’ll have interest from the coaches. It’s a numbers game, both swimming times and academics. Don’t get lost in the Ivy or Bust mindset and lose out on a good opportunity because you are 5th on the Ivy coach’s list but he can only take 3 in your event, or that he can’t give you full support. Maybe the coach at another school can make you the #1 choice and that school gives good merit aid.

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That poster meant, in the absence of information specific to swimming, after Loyola.

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Then I would definitely look at Florida schools. Good swimming, many with really good environmental, biology, marine science programs.

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Noted will create, thanks.

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Florida Tech. Don’t know about the swim level but they are d2 I believe. Eckerd but doesn’t look like they have women’s swimming.

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Has the student-athlete been in regular contact with the swimming coaches at Dartmouth or any other schools? As a junior, they should have had some sort of interaction via email or social media with the swimming programs. Coaches give you a general idea if you are “in the ballpark” for admissions. Academic numbers are generally shared pretty early in the process so no one is wasting time with a potential recruit that can’t handle the academic rigor of an Ivy League or similar school.

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D24 is equally focused on high academic tier and swimming, and understands full coach support is key. She’s very motivated to secure such a support from a college coach, but doesn’t want to compromise on academics and applying to a top tier academic program.