These kids are guilty of several things, especially being plain stupid! When will this generation learn that posting things on social media is permanent and will follow them forever? Bad enough they actually created the video. If my kid ever participated in that he knows he’d be disowned. Obviously that message never made it to these idiots (poor parenting is part of it - I’d be livid if one of these was my kid). But compound their thoughtlessness, immaturity, and stupidity by posting in for the world to see. How’s that going to look when a future employer does a web search? Nice way to spend your parents money…morons!
@simba9 if you don’t find the video offensive, then i’m (not at all) sorry to say, but you’re a part of the problem that is the toxic “boys will be boys” culture. look, i get it, you’ve (more than likely) never had to experience what it’s like to be oppressed. you’ve (again, more than likely) never had to experience what it’s like to be degraded because of your skin color or your sexual orientation or your heritage. three cheers for you. you’re someone who benefits from the oppressive system that plagues our society. congratulations.
do not even attempt to dismiss these boys’ putrid and foul behavior as “not that serious.” if someone laughs over calling someone a n*r or a kke, then both his/her character and morality are seriously, seriously lacking. if someone has the audacity to defend someone calling someone else a n*r or a kke, then his/her character and morality are seriously lacking too.
no… no, it’s not. i’m a nineteen-year-old man, and i would never, never stoop to the level of mediocrity and immaturity these boys did. it’s absolutely and incredibly embarrassing to be in the group you mentioned, so here i am explaining to you that i don’t make racist, homophobic, or sexist comments about anyone because, apparently, “This is what guys do when they’re 18, 19, 20-years old.” ew. my parents taught me better than that.
furthermore, when do the excuses stop? donald trump is seventy-one, and people still excuse his behavior for the things he says and has done in the past. it’s unsettling. it’s wrong.
as the saying goes, “respect my existence or expect my resistance.” my resistance is advocating for their expulsions. the end.
^^^ well said!
@rickie1 and @kalons Just don’t disown your kid or friend. Educate them! College age kids say and do stupid stuff. Not condoning this but not sure how kicking kids out, giving them no chance for redemption helps . College students have said and done stupid things forever but the consequences can be arbitrary. And most were not caught on tape. Crazy stuff though. And I think most times ,parents don’t always know what their kids are doing at college and can be surprised… Parents have been embarrassed before when their kids , who they (and maybe relatives, neighbors,teachers), thought were perfect, did something stupid.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m Jewish. I also take context into consideration, which is why I view these kids as being more stupid than racist and anti-Semitic. What they did was so over-the-top that I don’t take it seriously.
I did not think what they were doing was funny or admirable. Just because someone doesn’t want the heads of the frat boys in the video chopped off, doesn’t mean they approve of what was going on.
19 years old is a teenager. Not quite a man yet.
I did not vote for Trump, and am no fan.
If “kids” are still doing/saying racist things when they are 18-22, it’s because no one ever corrected them previously. Or someone tried and the kids chose to ignore that lesson. Both of those things are a problem.
When one of my sons was in second grade, we learned that he had made fun of a classmate with special needs. We were horrified that he would he join in this “fun” with classmates, especially because the boy was the son of a woman we knew and loved. It took a lot of talk and teaching to demonstrate why this was wrong, even though the boy laughed, too. Seriously, this was a parenting low for me. But with much talk and some tears, he understood that not only was it not OK to participate but that we expected him the next time to call out friends who were behaving that way. Not making fun of someone is a low bar; we expected him to be a leader and put a stop to the behavior the next time it happened.
If I expect that from a 7yo, why wouldn’t I expect more from a college student? I reject that this is just the way guys behave. When we set low expectations for others, we’re seldom disappointed. Expect more.
@sevmom - trust me, we’ve already educated our kids which, together with their character, is why they don’t do these things. Many opportunities to do stupid things in high school too but they learned to be responsible partly because of who they are and partly because they knew what was expected of them (and consequences).
Interesting thing about college and frats / sororities (not against them at all, but not for me). You teach your kids to be independent thinkers and explain how great college is. Perfect opportunity to develop their own personality and opinions and then they join an organization that promotes everyone being the same. Kind of a conflict. I’m sure there were kids involved that were just going along with it out of peer pressure. Time for them to become their own person. I wouldn’t be renewing their frat dues if I were their parent. Let’s see how important it is for them if they have to get a job to pay for it. Maybe they’ll find other ways to have fun at school while developing their character.
Let’s get something clear. Posting the video to Facebook was stupid.
Saying “I have hate in my heart for ngers” was straight-up RACIST. Not stupid. Racist. Much like the two recent incidents at Cornell. And the OU students chanting “There will never be a nger SAE.” And the Cal Poly blackface party–oh wait, or was that ASU? or Alabama? or Penn State? or UT? or…?
How many “teachable moments” do people need? Everyone has to have their own individual “racism is bad” lesson?
They know.
I previously said that I didn’t necessarily support individual students being expelled over this. Now that I have seen the second video and heard that are apparently more that aren’t being publicized because they are being used in the disciplinary process, I have changed my mind, at least as to any student who appeared in both videos.
To film something and post it means you aren’t ashamed of it- you are proud of it. It’s a part of your group’s culture not just some stupid thing you did because you were drunk. The fact that there are multiple videos proves that.
Really. A bit over the top. You may want to check out history.
So honest question. Is Blazing Saddles racist? Is Mel Brooks, Gene Wilder, and the other actors racist. What about all the hip hop artists who use the n word? Why would we treat the parties different?
I occasionally get racist/gender/ethic comments in my (high school) classes. It only happens once and I never have to use higher power discipline. I merely have to teach the lads (almost always lads) my expectations and why I hold them.
ps I’ve even seen lads who come in spouting such nonsense become good friends afterward with those they tried to put down. For the vast majority of students, it merely requires expectations and solid reasoning - that and overcoming what they’ve been taught by their parents or some peers I suppose.
One can dislike someone based upon their actions or similar, but not because of who they are. Not in my class. If I ever had a repeat offender they would definitely receive wrath. In 19 years I’ve yet to see it happen.
All that said I’ve no idea what these kids might do outside of my class, but at least they’ve been taught right from wrong and aren’t just dismissed with a “boys will be boys” mentality.
I disliked Blazing Saddles. Immensely. On several levels.
If you can’t make the distinction between rappers using the N word in their music and these guys using it in this video, I got nothing for you.
Blazing Saddles came out when I was a baby. I keep seeing references to it but do we have anything more recent than 1974? I’ve only seen clips.
Again, I ask where the satire was with regards to homophobia? Seems like gay sex WAS the joke. Over and over.
Yeah, that’s not my idea of a “roast” as they seemed to be claiming it was.
Are we approaching a tipping point when fraternities will be banned outright and removed from college campuses? How many more of these incidents will it take?
Have you ever heard the term “whataboutism”?
SU Alum here. I find the video repulsive as most of you do, and I am embarrassed it happened at a university I love.
While I hate to see kids get their lives de-railed over what might be stupid mistakes or just fear of creating trouble (objecting but remaining silent or pretending not to be offended), the administration clearly has a greater responsibility to the institution and the rest of the student body. What they need to do is clear and it appears they are.
In addition to the “don’t be racist” lesson most of us have taught our children, we have to teach them the much more nuanced lesson of “don’t be guilty by association”. They need to be told if they see something going on they find objectionable, they need to make that known and leave, even if it is a “friend/brother” at the forefront.
Tough fact and tough lesson but that is reality.
Yeah. That’s what non-critical thinkers use to avoid the question. I wonder what would have happened in my law school classes if I told the Professor that his question was “whataboutism.” See, it’s about where do we draw lines and why - which requires critical thinking. But it is easier to say “whataboutism” and scream at each other on tv.