Tell Me About Vanderbilt

<p>I posted this is College Search but whatever...</p>

<p>They sent me a DVD a while back and I was very impressed. After some research I decided to apply there, but after talking to my counselor, I changed my mind. She told me that the students there REALLY care about the way they look/dress and that they are all Republicans and Bush supporters. This was a big turn off for me.
I don't like Bush.
I don't like ditsy, shallow girls.
I don't usually enjoy die-hard Christians.</p>

<p>I was really disappointed and I don't want to believe half the stuff she said, but I've heard that this is what it's like in the South.</p>

<p>Soooooooooo....what do you guys think about Vanderbilt?</p>

<p>Yeah if you're an emo, non-conformist, liberal, you will not thrive at Vanderbilt.</p>

<p>In terms of politics, the students are split approx. 50-50, democrats to republicans</p>

<p>As for the students' appearances, there are students that like to look good, dress well, etc. However, its not as though everyone is solely concerned about that or walks around with their collars popped. The students are generally pretty down to earth, and would much rather have a conversation and get to know you than stare in the mirror and make sure that their make-up is just right. I go to my early morning chem class in my PJs and that is perfectly acceptable here. </p>

<p>While there are several Christians at Vandy, they are not ultra-outgoing about their faith. Most Christians here will acknowledge, 'yes, I am a Christian and I believe in Christ', but they will not try to force their beliefs on you. It is generally recognized that your decisions and your faith are yours, and you won't be pressured to change them.</p>

<p>Unless your high school guidance counselor attended Vandy recently, he/she really has no business making judgments and proliferating stereotypes like the ones you listed. We don't think all the women in Hawaii wear hula skirts any more than you should believe that the women at Vandy are all shallow and ditzy, etc., etc. You will find all kinds of controversial discussions on this board as to what Vandy is really like pro and con(do a search perhaps of some older discussions), but the bottom line is it is a great school. You may be too far away to visit it to see for yourself if it is a good fit, so hopefully you will be able to get some other perspectives from discussions at CC and decide for yourself. Good luck.</p>

<p>Bravo, bandmom! I am personally getting tired of all the posts regarding the white, preppy, Christian sterotype. Vanderbilt is a large enough school to incorporate a wide variety of people and viewpoints. Both of my Vanderbilt students have broadened their viewpoints on major political and social issues as a result of their experiences there and I believe the opportunity is what you make of it. Again, well said!</p>

<p>"She told me that the students there REALLY care about the way they look/dress and that they are all Republicans and Bush supporters. This was a big turn off for me.
I don't like Bush.
I don't like ditsy, shallow girls.
I don't usually enjoy die-hard Christians."</p>

<p>I have a daughter there as a Freshman and Daughter 2 applying ED1. From your post its seems like you "don't" want to go to a world class university simply because of your dislike of "Bush, ditsy, shallowgirls and die-hard Christians". With a mind as closed as yours you wouldn't do that well at this or other world class institutions. The fact that you are so opinionated with subjective ideals and standards probably means you should attend a school where everyone is just like you so that you don't have to stretch those synapses around anything real. Go to the school that is just like you so that you can perpetuate the same biases and closed minded ideals you have become brainwashed with in all of your years of life. </p>

<p>By the way, folks are not admitted to Vanderbilt because of their Religion, dress standards nor political beliefs. They are accepted because they have a healthy balanced relationship with the world and the aptitude and attitude to work hard to make it a better place. </p>

<p>And as my final thoughts on this matter, no matter where you go in this world you will be surrounded by the same people you have described above, they may be your professor, boss, tutor, friend, enemy? </p>

<p>Good luck with your decision, hopefully you will not allow your biases get in the way of your education.</p>

<p>I was there October before the Bush/Kerry election. The student body split 50/50 which is a shift. That makes Vandy more Republican than some top tier highly selective universities. But it also makes for actual debate on campus, good opps for classrooms where people are not all alike, chances for discourse in campus newspapers and rags.<br>
I was there when Al Gore was in the Law School and Div School and also when Mondale was trounced.<br>
Nashville is a vibrant, exciting town full of talented people from a variety of professions. It is particularly friendly to new people and new perspectives. The grad schools are world class and have been diverse forever. The Div School by the way is extremely diverse and tends to influence students in a way that would expose you to many points of view and many faiths.<br>
The job market is hoppin and internships in a capital city are always plentiful to say nothing of the fantastic hospital.<br>
Leave your preconceptions behind and visit before making assumptions.</p>

<p>Whoa whoa whoa...</p>

<p>I don't have the biases, my counselor does. I think that Vanderbilt looks like a wonderful institution, but after what my counselor said about them "being very smart but also very shallow" I was a bit more hesitant...wouldn't everyone be?</p>

<p>I don't like shallow people...this isn't categorizing anyone, but simply stating that I seek relationships with complex, interesting people. </p>

<p>I don't get along with people who have extremist Christian views because they often force their religion on me. Is it wrong to not want to go to a school like that? I am not saying that Vandy is this way, but simply giving my views on certain people.</p>

<p>I don't like Bush. Who does these days? Does that make me biases or closed minded? No...it makes me opinionated. Do I dislike people that like Bush? No...I love debates. </p>

<p>Please don't be so quick to judge me next time.</p>

<p>As a current male student, I find the criticism that Vandy girls are shallow ridiculous and untrue. True, many of the women here are very beautiful and many are very wealthy. That may lead some (many of whom are probably jealous) to conclude that they are shallow. Frankly, the girls here are smarter, more sophisticated and more engaging than the vast majority of the girls I knew in high school. It's actually somewhat intimidating when the girl sitting next to you in organic chemistry has a 1600 on her SAT, was valedictorian of her high school class and can carry on stimulating and informed conversations yet could be a model if she chose. Young women will be young women of course, but if anything women here are less shallow than your average college-aged girl.</p>

<p>Surfette:
Glad you spoke up in defense of yourself. I was just about to suggest to Admitted 1's Dad that the questions you are asking are an important part of the process of finding a school that's a good fit. Countless students have asked the same questions wanting feedback on what they've heard about this or that regarding any school. Yes, of course it is best to visit and decide for yourself, but in the meantime, keep an open mind and definitely don't let your counselor question your decisions. As parents, we can only say that our students may not fit those stereotypes and they love Vandy and fit in just fine. What I'm hoping is that more Vandy students will chime in (pro or con) to give you a better feel.</p>

<p>The only posts worth reading, mine included, are taw's and mjc's. The others are parents (and Faline, well, her hubby was a grad student at Vandy many moons ago) and that group's perspective is different.</p>

<p>Come join the fun, surfette, it's a big place, but it does have a culture.</p>

<p>surfette, as a parent of a son who was admitted to Vandy, did overnights and attended classes there recently and seriously considered attending, and as an adult who stays with current members of the Vanderbilt faculty when I hang out now in Nashville, I would like to share with you my 20 year old son's impressions of Vandy when he did his overnight last year. I don't agree that my comments have zero relevance because parents also read this board and they want to know if Vandy undergrad has changed. Many moons ago ha (THANKS VUAlum! and I agree that this is a parental not a student viewpoint, but a viewpoint of parent who looked at Vandy undergrad with a critical eye when my S came of age and could compare Vandy today with Vandy that is often stereotyped), I worked in places haunted by Vandy undergrads, studied with Vandy kids and did internships at Vandy myself while my husband got a graduate degree. I spent hours and hours in Vanderbilt and Peabody libraries and working alongside Vandy students or supervising Vandy students myself in internships later when I was working near the campus for several years. We also know several current students. My friends on the faculty are very happy that Vandy is now attracting a competitive and nationally based student body because they enjoy teaching kids with different points of view and the student body is quite talented. My S is at Duke, and I will give you the short version why because my S truly loves Nashville as a city (he was born there) but he is not conservatory quality and Vanderbilt's music program is frankly a bit "too good" for him to really fit in and playing is still a must for his idea of perfect balance and happiness. (Music by the way is very cool in Nashville no matter what your interests are..there are great places to hear bluegrass, rock, new age and classical on Vandy's campus or nearby.) My S is also in a frat and would likely have also done the frat social scene at Vandy but I know plenty of kids who chose otherwise and have plenty to do on weekends. Vandy is big enough to offer alternatives and access to Nashville helps. My son has traveled extensively and values geographic and religious and political diversity and he felt that Vandy undergrad students he met were definitely not all alike and had different outlooks. Our family is also pretty averse to being in a school where one is going to face proselytizing as a norm. I think you will find students who are open about their faith and beliefs on many college campuses, and the same is true at Vandy. Check out this development at Vandy, which makes it a different undergrad school than in my day and you might hunt up the related Wall street journal article as well. <a href="http://www.vanderbilt.edu/jewishstudies/Hustler%202-10-04.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vanderbilt.edu/jewishstudies/Hustler%202-10-04.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>My S spent time with a guy from Boston, a guy from Chicago and a guy from Birmingham and one from Atlanta, and they all were extremely courteous and made sure to give him their frank opinions about Vandy..he was never left alone and he was introduced to his favorite sport there and to a few professors by the students he stayed with. </p>

<p>It is true that my Vandy friends are now on the faculty or in business or law or medicine jobs frequented by 50 year olds but as members of the Moons Ago Society, we have a unique little contribution to your concerns..Vandy has grown into an even better university. It is still a warm, friendly place with lots of southern style and speaking traditions and good access to full professors. Vandy is really not a small LAC but people speak to each other in passing there and students are generally social and outgoing. I think you have to be careful when affluence is equated with shallowness. In my experience that is not true. Some Vandy kids are from affluent homes indeed but that may also imply that they come from people who are very hard working and serious about their own communities and passions and careers. If admitted to Vandy, need scholarships can be generous, too as we know from personal experience. My husband was able to attend based on scholarships earned.
My S would frankly not have been comfy there five ten or more years ago but Vandy undergrad has changed greatly. He loved the students he met and the facilities are really great..the science building was fabulous and he also liked the gym and related club sports facilities (this mattered to him). School spirit for certain sports is rather high if that means anything to you and people are rather high spirited there and like to have a good time. I remember when we decided to move to Nashville for grad school and frankly I also had some misconceptions about Vandy and Nashville which went out the window fast after I moved there. good luck in your search. your guidance counselor couldn't be any more misinformed than mine was in High School..mine was a graduate of Bob Jones when I was your age. I actually didn't even have a clue what that meant back then but live and learn</p>

<p>Thanks for the posts. I am currently deciding between Vanderbilt and Villanova, so all info on either is welcome. </p>

<p>Could someone talk about the weather in Nashville. I would assume it is humid...does it snow in the winter?</p>

<p>What about the writing program? I read that it was a stand-out in a college book, but it didn't give any more detail. The classes that are offered look interesting but I would like a second opinion. </p>

<p>Sorry if I offended anyone with my first post...I am just curious and searching for my "dream school".</p>

<p>Well, I had a cousin at Villanova..the Main Line is pretty cool for colleges and there are some fun aspects at Villanova for sure. I went to HS in Delaware and would highly recommend Vanderbilt if you want a challenging peer group academically and Nashville because I think the college is greatly appreciated by the city and you basically can get out of town for fun or head downtown so easily. </p>

<p>Weather..moderate with some winters with some heavy snows or mega ice storms. A tornado went downtown to everyone's surprise a few years ago. Duke is mostly a short pants year round place..Vandy is more like Virginia in weather..more four seasons with an emphasis on sunshine. Summer is hot. Vandy is a Tree Campus..very lovely quads and autumn if you stay on campus, easy to venture off campus to West End or Hillsboro businesses. </p>

<p>Tennesse has three regions really...with three cultures. Vanderbilt is the number one employer in Middle Tennessee, Memphis has another culture based on the Mississippi, Knoxville and Chattanooga are more charming and mountain oriented. </p>

<p>Interesting that you are considering Vandy's august writing program, the home to the Fugitives. I collect the signed works of Robert Penn Warren our nations poet laureate and author of All the Kings Men and also the works of Vandy professor and Rhodes graduate and also Pulitzer Prize winner Peter Taylor who later died teaching at UVa. Google the Fugitives who later went by the name the Agrarians to learn aboutone of the most amazing periods of American literature which was totally at Vanderbilt.
<a href="http://www.vanderbilt.edu/rpw_center/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vanderbilt.edu/rpw_center/&lt;/a>
The MFA program is stellar and the visiting writers are often "available" at readings to undergrad students which is one thing I like about Vandy..the grad schools have speakers etc that undergrads can sit in on that are exciting. See their visiting writers in the past.
Vandy is an interesting mix of teachers who are publishing and teachers who are doing research and teachers who are only focused on teaching. There are plenty of reseach journals for undergrads and grads to attempt to get a study published in.<br>
The Gertrude Vanderbilt and Harold S. Vanderbilt Visiting Writers Series</p>

<p>Robert Penn Warren * Eudora Welty * Kingsley Amis * V.S. Pritchett *
Elizabeth Spencer * Yusef Komunyakaa * Ruth Fainlight * Rose Tremain *
Allan Sillitoe * Rita Dove * Agha Shahid Ali * Ellen Gilchrist *
Marilyn Nelson * Garrett Hongo * Judith Ortiz Cofer * William Matthews *
Diane Ackerman * Ellen Douglas * Margo Livesey * Jessica Hagedorn *
Alan Shapiro * Julia Alvarez * Seamus Heaney * Charles Wright *
Chase Twichell * J.M.Coetzee * Richard Ford * Maxine Kumin *
Carol Frost * Ellen Bryant Voigt * Robert Lowell * Pauline Kael *
David Lehman * Linda Gregerson * James Wood * Stanley Elkin *
Lee Smith * Chang-rae Lee * Al Young * Wally Lamb *
Donald Justice * Philip Levine * Peter Matthiessen * Andrew Hudgins *
Medbh McGuckian * Erin McGraw * Jill McCorkle *
Madison Smartt Bell * Sydney Lea * Marita Golden * Antonya Nelson *
Gerald Stern * Eileen Simpson * Karen Yama****a * Richard Bausch *
Elizabeth Spires * Richard Tillinghast * Anne Patchett * Martín Espada *
Tony Hoagland * R. S. Gwynn * Mary Gordon * T. R. Hummer *
Alison Lurie * Fred Chappell * Pam Durban * Edward Hirsch *
and more have read in The Gertrude Vanderbilt and Harold S. Vanderbilt Visiting Writers Series.</p>

<p>Distinguished Writers in Residence </p>

<p>Philip Levine, Spring 1995
James McConkey, Spring 1997
Marilyn Nelson, Spring 1999
Judith Ortiz Cofer, Spring 2001
Garrett Hongo, Fall 2002
Peter Guralnick, Spring 2005, Spring 2007</p>

<p>On a lighter note, you will have a shot at seeing all political personalities and most artistic personalities in Nashville or at Vandy..everyone on tour comes through so the Vandy "budget" for events is supplemented by the fact you can catch acts in local bars or theaters too.<br>
Grading is pretty tough at Vandy. And your fellow students arrive prepared.<br>
good luck on your search for your college home.</p>

<p>surfette,</p>

<p>I know Villanova very well (from years of first hand experience) and have learned a lot about Vanderbilt in the past year. </p>

<p>In academic terms, the comparison is not close and the gap is growing as Vanderbilt has grown into a legitimate competitor to the most highly ranked universities in the country. Conversely, Villanova is a mostly a regional school with a very high percentage of its students (80%+?) coming from the Northeast. The statistical advantage goes to Vanderbilt in virtually every category when you measure the strength of the ENROLLED student bodies.</p>

<p>As for the student body, the schools are roughly the same size with approximately 6500 students. With this size, there is some diversity at both schools, but Vanderbilt is somewhat more ethnically diverse (Villanova has about 4% African-American, 6% Asian, and 5% Hispanic while Vanderbilt has 8%, 6% and 5%, respectively) and draws from a national applicant pool. Both schools tend to attract high numbers of private school applicants and the wealth that usually goes along with that is evident on both campuses. Both schools are expensive to attend. Both schools have greek systems, but IMO the Vanderbilt system is more active and has a higher proportion of men and women participating (which may or may not be a good thing for you). </p>

<p>Re Philadelphia and Nashville, the access that students have to the cities and the cities themselves are quite different. Villanova students are 12 miles from downtown Philly and, while the trains to downtown are frequent and easy to catch from a campus train station, the student body tends not to visit the city on a regular (eg, weekly) basis. If you want that, then go to UPenn or Drexel which are located in the city and students at those schools actively participate in city life. By comparison, downtown Nashville is but 1.5 miles from Vanderbilt's campus. Students do go there frequently although because the campus and surrounding area is so appealing, many students limit their activities to just the area around the school (commonly known as the Vanderbubble). </p>

<p>As for Philadelphia and Nashville, the cities are as different as they can be and probably appeal to very different types of people. I can comment extensively on each, but I would not advise basing your college choice on either city. The reality is that your time at Villanova would not really be a Philadelphia experience, but more of a Main Line experience (the Main Line is the wealthy suburbs that are located to the west of Philly). Your time at Vanderbilt would likely be more influenced by Nashville, but the Vanderbubble around Vanderbilt's campus will likely be where you spend the vast majority of your time. </p>

<p>Weather-wise, Nashville will average 7-10 degrees warmer during the school months. Spring in Philadelphia does not truly arrive until April and even then it can be cool and blustery. There is definitely more snow in Philly (it snows 2-5 times per winter and sometimes in significant quantities), but it rarely stays on the ground for more than a few days or a week. By contrast, a slight snowfall in Nashville is big news and rumors of an impending storm can send the locals scurrying to the supermarkets to stock up for the big 2-inch accumulation. :) </p>

<p>Both are fun schools, provide a good college experience and have national name recognition (although Villanova would probably not be well known without its highly-ranked mens basketball program). But, bottom line, Vanderbilt is clearly several notches higher on the academic food chain and, IMO, if you are qualified to get into Vanderbilt, then the choice is easy.</p>