<p>wait did only the coach tell you that you were in? because if thats the case, its not like dartmouth is going to refund your ticket. you'd have to talk to the coach about that...</p>
<p>but that SUCKS. im so sorry since it seems like this coach not only messed up your dartmouth admissions, but also your chances at other schools. out of curiousity, what were the other schools?</p>
<p>Wow, no wonder our swim team sucks year in, year out if these are the kinds of bridges the coach builds and the kinds of stories future potential recruits get to enjoy.</p>
<p>Makes me really glad everyone made such a big stink about saving the swim team and wasted so much energy over it back in 2002...</p>
<p>Calpoly san luis obispo and University of california santa barbara. And UCdavis just called an hour ago for a recruit trip.
The d coach says I need to show that I'm on an upward trend because he still really wants me. So with some last minute planning I'm scheduled for the march SAT.
If this is a legitimate possibility... Then I'm going to work very, very hard.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is worth the effort. The coach should be able to tell you exactly what score you need to hit the number they're looking for in terms of the index they use.</p>
<p>I'm currently at 185 and they need 200+</p>
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<p>That's going to be tough.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, I ran the AI calculator with an estimation of your stats. Using class rank quartile, it looks as if even raising both SATIs to 700 and submitting 2 SATIIs of 700 won't get you to 200. (Using decile is worse.) Using GPA instead of quartile or decile gives you a 10 point bump up! If calculated using GPA, you would probably need CR700 and M700, at least, but you could get there.</p>
<p>Did you take SATIIs?</p>
<p>dartmouth is a very academically demanding school. the swim team boasts the ivy league's (and Div.I) highest gpa among athletic teams, and does everything it can to maintain that. kids have dropped classes and switched majors just to swim. are you willing to do that?</p>
<p>I recall reading an NYT (I think) article about Ivy recruiting and how even with coaches complete support, athletes were being rejected by admissions, which in turn was having an adverse affect on programs. While I am very supportive of the high standards of admissions, I also know it is more than those minimum scores that determine if a recruit gets in or not in the Ivy League and Dartmouth in particular.</p>
<p>Shorts85:</p>
<p>I bet you can raise your SAT I scores enough to get into Dartmouth. You writing is economical, expressive and mostly grammatical (albeit heavy on the one-syllable front). This is obviously my own prejudice, but if your writing in this thread reflects your unpolished first-draft level, your CR ability should be good enough for a 700+. Unless you suffer from some sort of innumeracy problem, you can probably get there with some focussed SAT practice. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>A gazillion applications sitting on the Admission's office floor. If the coach can't get her past the golden gate, sorry, but a 700 aint gonna do it either. Sometimes, and this very much applied in our case, it is best to let go and move on than try to convince yourself there is still a chance or there is more of a chance than there actually is. A lot of great students are rejected from great schools. As we tried to keep in mind, you're in great company if you get in and you're in equally great company if you are rejected.</p>
<p>I don't agree. This is a purely quantitative play. Sounds like the coach has some picks left and he just needs the numbers to get this kid over the line. I've seen this often, many times with the kid needing literally 10 or 20 more SAT points. One kid at DS's school last year was all but in at an even more selective ivy and just couldn't get the last 10 SAT points!</p>
<p>Suggest moving on... You may fall in love with one of the other schools on a visit. You haven't even visited Dartmouth and may not have loved the team,coach,school, or location had you visited. The other coaches are going to want to firm up their rosters and not wait until after your March SAT results are in and Dartmouth is still a long shot. I suggest putting your efforts into the other interested schools and try to find a great fit from those great options. Dartmouth may not be "meant to be", but another school is.</p>
<p>I guess I missed the sentence that the D coach still wants her and the need for an upward trend. However, what happens with these other coaches and their rosters in the meantime? Are they supposed to wait? Is the OP supposed to string them along until April? Seriously, taking the March SAT is still going to take another three weeks to get the results. And what if, as HMom says, there aren't 10 more points to be had by this person? I am just saying there are a lot of variables that one has to consider and it's not like coaches (D's or anyone else's) are only talking to one kid.</p>
<p>I certainly don't understand the process for the situation OP has found herself, but there's got to be one, doesn't there? :)</p>
<p>I believe that I have until may 1st for all of my schools.</p>
<p>These are the figures I used, which gave an AI of 184:</p>
<p>Top quartile of class of 500
620 on CR & M (a fairly generous assumption given the OP's 1820)
600/600/600 on 3 SATIIs</p>
<p>Raising the CR & M to 700 only got the AI to 192. Raising the CR and Math scores to 750 still doesn't break 200. I personally doubt that a student who is capable of scoring 750 on those two sections would receive an 1820 the first time out. The amount needed doesn't appear to be 10 or 20 points, but 200 points or more.</p>
<p>The class rank issue is out of his or her hands.</p>
<p>Moving on to the other schools that are interested in the OP would seem like a good idea to me. If a miracle should occur, then by all means go back to the D coach.</p>
<p>I'm also wondering if the OP has fully considered the cost issue. From what I've seen, a UC or CSU means a full ride if recruited. Unless the OP's family is very low income, if cost is a factor Dartmouth will be very expensive compared to the other choices.</p>
<p>As a recruit there is no promise of money and the swimming programs are often in jeopardy and the first to be cut during financially stressful times. The california state university system has already cut 10000 admission spots. The university of california system has also cut major funding to several schools except for the newest and most popular institutions. My parents have been smart and there are no financial issues.</p>
<p>Also consider that if your academics are at the bottom of the pile of applicants-you may not be terribly happy keeping up with a rigorous academic program. Do you really like the idea of working that hard? Dartmouth is great, but from what I have seen-the work is not easy-and add the demands of being on a team-that could be miserable for you.</p>
<p>I agree with Modadunn; by the time you take the March SAT, get the scores back and submit them, the decisions will be out (as they come out at the end of March). </p>
<p>At this point, even after doing all of that the best you can hope for is a waitlist with the possbility that you would be picked up if there are some available spots. If the past few years are any indication, Dartmouth has easily been able to fill their freshman roster without going to the waitlist. Please don't put all of your eggs in the Dartmouth basket. I think it is now time to dream a new dream because there is more than one school that you would be happy to attend. I promise a year from now, thsi will be a passing blip on your radar.</p>
<p>B'smom also brings up a valid point, if your academics are not tight, it is going to be a stuggle meeting the academic demands of a quarter system where everything happens fast along with the multiple practices a day for swimming. One of D's good friends (a guy) who is currently a senior, was recruited and gave swimming up freshman year because he wanted to do the pre-med courses and it was a lot. Two of her best friends swam their whole 4 years and she is amazed at how they kept everything going between the practices, the class schedules and trying to balance some sembalance of a social life to wind down. </p>
<p>I am sure that you are going to find someplace great!</p>
<p>That's a good point Sybbie, is this coach just yanking kids' chains?</p>