<p>How is starving to death "dying peacefully"???? I swear I will give you a thousand bucks if you can prove to me that it was SHE herself who did not want to be kept alive and not her husband.</p>
<p>nobody is shooting her or doing anything violent</p>
<p>she does not feel pain, in fact, in this situation when the muscles start to break themselves down endorphins are released so the patient feel happy. it is not a "pain" issue </p>
<p>and apparently the entire florida judicial system and the 11th circuit court of appeals feels that it was her wish to die and she should die</p>
<p>I know that a judge or two may be incompetent but when u have the entire judicial system voting one way then it is certain. This whole issue is brought up by right wing evangelical blowhards who cant do anything better than to inject themselves into a personal family situation which has been litigated to kingdome come!</p>
<p>OMG, I don't think I can handle this. UNBELIVABLE. I...I can't even describe it--I'm speechless. Can't even let ONE disabled woman live, huh? I'm disgusted--what is this...Hitler beliefs?? Killing the disabled?? You people disgust me. That's all I have to say.</p>
<p>i now think she should die because shes such a waste of money</p>
<p>Is it YOUR money????????????? </p>
<p>NO.</p>
<p>hah, its so ironic that you chose to say hitlers beliefs because it was hitler who legally grabbed power and manipulated other branches of government. Hmm, doesnt that sound like what republicans are trying to do to the state courts of florida? How can republicans be for states rights and still intervene when this case has been litigated in state court every way possible?</p>
<p>incidentally </p>
<p>70% of the american public disaproves of congress's law regarding schiavo and 67% believes that it was done for political benefit</p>
<p>btw, you still didnt counter any of my assertions in the previous post.</p>
<p>and I too am disgusted and have been for a long time on the evangelical social conservative movement which seeks to eliminate civil liberties and turn the US into a christian taliban. We have religious extremist terrorists too in this country, except they prefer to bomb abortion clinics and advocate the war in Iraq. Bush himself called it a "crusade"</p>
<p>you still havent responded to my assertion regarding state courts</p>
<p>its all politics</p>
<p>"Republican leaders believe their attention to the Terri Schiavo issue could pay dividends with Christian conservatives whose support they covet in the 2006 midterm elections, according to a GOP memo intended to be seen only by senators."</p>
<p>"Is it YOUR money????"</p>
<p>is it yours? exactly. start tossing your pennies in the bucket ...</p>
<p>Just a random note here... This is actually an issue where there is a lot of divison even with republicans. I'm a republican and I believe that she she be allowed to die. I know many other people are very to the right who agree... It seems that there is a random sect of hardcore christain republicans that are making all the noise...</p>
<p>I just know if I was me in the situation, I would not want to continue to live a life like that.</p>
<p>"Do you think Congressmen from around the country would fly all the way to DC at 12 in the morning just to try to influence something a YEAR away. This is a person's life we're talking about here, and it is typical of liberals to spin it another way. I doubt many people are even going to remember this in a year, so who cares about elections."</p>
<p>Um yeah, everything in politics is about image, whether you like it or not. Interfering with the judiciary (and doing it so brazenly) looks like a political move to me.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/23/schiavo/index.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/23/schiavo/index.html</a> </p>
<p>Appeals panel won't order Schiavo fed </p>
<p>Parents had sought to restore feeding tube after lower court setback </p>
<p>Wednesday, March 23, 2005 Posted: 3:08 AM EST (0808 GMT) </p>
<p>"I'm begging you ... don't let my daughter die of thirst," said Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mom. </p>
<p>ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals early Wednesday declined to order the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. </p>
<p>The vote was 2 to 1. </p>
<p>The brain-damaged woman's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had filed with the appeals court Tuesday, after U.S. District Court Judge James Whittemore in Tampa, Florida, decided not to grant a temporary restraining order that would allow reinstatement of the tube. </p>
<p>The tube has provided the 41-year-old woman with water and nutrients since 1990. </p>
<p>In issuing their majority opinion, 11th Circuit Judges Ed Carnes and Frank Hull said: </p>
<p>"We agree that the plaintiffs have failed to demonstrate a substantial case on the merits of any of their claims. We also conclude that the district court's carefully thought out decision to deny temporary relief in these circumstances is not an abuse of discretion." </p>
<p>Judge Charles Wilson, who said he "strongly dissented" from the majority opinion, said refusing the parents' appeal "frustrates Congress' intent, which is to maintain the status quo by keeping Theresa Schiavo alive until the federal courts have a new and adequate opportunity to consider the constitutional issues raised by plaintiffs." </p>
<p>Continuing, Wilson said, the whole point of a law passed early Monday by Congress was to "give the federal courts an opportunity to consider the merits of plaintiffs' constitutional claims with a fresh set of eyes." </p>
<p>Schiavo's feeding tube was removed Friday on the order of Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer, who ruled that he had no jurisdiction in the case. He said judicial doctrine bars losing parties from using federal courts to appeal state court decisions. </p>
<p>Both sides in the case -- the Schindlers, and Schiavo's husband, Michael -- filed documents Tuesday with the appellate court in Atlanta. </p>
<p>"While time is of the essence here, there remains adequate time for this court to conduct an expedited and deliberate review," Michael Schiavo's filing said. </p>
<p>His lawyers also asked that if the appeals court ordered reinsertion, it also grant an automatic stay of eight hours so that Michael Schiavo could seek a review with the U.S. Supreme Court. </p>
<p>Attorney George Felos, representing the husband, told reporters that his client is by his wife's side, saying, "That's where he'll remain until she dies." He said Michael Schiavo also has given the Schindlers the right to visit the hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida. </p>
<p>President Bush has expressed support for the Schindlers' fight, signing legislation allowing the case to be reviewed by federal courts. (Full story) </p>
<p>White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the Bush administration would have preferred a "different ruling" than Whittemore's decision. </p>
<p>McClellan said the administration hoped the Schindlers find relief in the appeals process.</p>
<p>First of all, it's important to realize what is being done is completely in the name of politics. The Republican majority brought this to Congress in an effort to please their base and secure future votes; Democrats absolutely must follow suit, otherwise they'll be slandered as uncompassionate. I'm not sure if any of you are aware, but a memo circulated through the GOP explicitly states that pursuing this issue in the manner that it has been pursued will benefit the party's reputation with its supporters. This is absolutely obvious.</p>
<p>Legally, this has a lot to do with states rights, something conservatives historically valued. At least 19 Florida judges over the past 15 years have ALL, after hearing testimony from the nation's top neurosurgeons and neurologists and also testimony from this woman's friends who heard her state that she didn't want to be sustained in such a state, have ruled in the same manner: remove the feeding tube. However, in an absolutely disgusting unconstitutional manner, Congress is trying to bypass the entire Florida court system by pursuing this issue. These Congressmen have no medical expertise, have heard no expert testimony, and have not heard from this woman's friends who know her stance on the issue (not to mention her husband). They're not capable of making this decision, and the fact that they're trying is absolutely unacceptable. </p>
<p>It's all politics guys. It's disgusting, Democrats and Republicans alike.</p>
<p>Don't Think</p>
<p>It's a personal matter and we have no right to pass judgement over this matter likewise the government either ( unless her parents officially asked it to interfere).</p>
<p>"unless her parents officially asked it to interfere"</p>
<p>I think they did, but why the hell is the government stopping their work to deal with a single isolated case, not to mention muck up the judiciary system by demanding this brought to the forefront? Political grandstanding.</p>
<p>paris23, you are being completely closed-minded. Everyone is refuting your arguments, yet you refuse to answer to any of our assertions, as sempitern said, and simply continue to regurgitate the same material ad nauseum. </p>
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How is starving to death "dying peacefully"???? I swear I will give you a thousand bucks if you can prove to me that it was SHE herself who did not want to be kept alive and not her husband.
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There was a thing on CNN American Morning today where they did a survey of hospice nurses asking them how painful or peaceful the type of death Terri is facing really is. On a scale of 1 to 9, with 9 being the most peaceful, the mean rating was an 8. You need to know what you're talking about before you post misinformation.</p>
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Can't even let ONE disabled woman live, huh?
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It's not a matter of deciding whether we want her to die or live, it is a matter of deciding what she wants. Not what her parents want. Not what her husband wants. Not what you want. What SHE wants. More than a dozen courts, now on the state and federal level, have said that she wouldn't want to live in this condition after reviewing her case. You don't know anything about her case except what you read in the news. They get hundreds of documents and hours of testimony. Who do you think knows more?</p>
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Is it YOUR money?????????????
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Once again, it is not a matter of money. It is fulfilling her wishes. Should individuals not be allowed to determine their own medical care?</p>
<p>Please, step back and try to have a little more equanimity. With all of your misinformation, you're discrediting your position.</p>
<p>Her body is still becoming dehydrated, and she is starving...Does one's supposed inability to feel pain warrant murder? It is cruel and unusual. Her body is being slowly killed...She may not be able to feel it, but that's no excuse...It is the same as a doctor murdering someone who has gone into a coma. They may not feel it, but it is still murder, and it is still unacceptable. Any way you look at it, it is murder.<br>
Even though a court decides she wouldn't want to live anymore, that doesn't prove a thing. Who have we heard that from? The scumbag husband...Don't speak of fulfilling her wishes, as you do not know her wishes. Let's suppose this happened to you, and you did not have a living will...You have a spouse with malevolent intentions and your parents, who love you...Who would you want making the choice. By murdering Terri Schiavo, you would not only kill her. There is no doubt in my mind that it would take a very large toll on the lives of her parents and family...But no, let's just do whatever the husband wants...The husband who just wants her out of the way...The husband who has moved on and started a family with another woman...</p>
<p>I completely agree with mcz. No one can say for certain that this is what Terri would have wanted. Listening to her husband is the equivalent of hearsay; I don't know why courts are relying on what he says to determine whether Terri should live or die. Regardless, even if there is some doubt, she should be kept alive.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>Her body is still becoming dehydrated, and she is starving...Does one's supposed inability to feel pain warrant murder? <<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>15 years ago she collapsed and would have died without medical intervention. Letting her die in peace rather than allowing her to live as a vegetable isn't murder.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>By murdering Terri Schiavo, you would not only kill her. There is no doubt in my mind that it would take a very large toll on the lives of her parents and family<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Her parents need to move on. The Terri Schiavo that they knew and loved died 15 years ago, and by trying to keep her alive they are only perpetuating their own pain, rather than allowing her to die and allowing themselves to move on.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>But no, let's just do whatever the husband wants<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Her husband is still her legal guardian (or whatever the term is in this case), so yes, let's do exactly what he wants.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>The husband who just wants her out of the way...The husband who has moved on and started a family with another woman...<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Yes, he started a new family. He has no reason to need or want Terri out of the way, he already made the choice to move on.</p>
<p>"Does one's supposed inability to feel pain warrant murder? It is cruel and unusual."</p>
<p>No one's giving this as reason for her murder. I could use your reasoning and ask, Why is your peace of mind in letting her live warrant the usage of millions of dollars of hospital equipment and a room that could be used to benefit other patients that have a chance of recovery?</p>
<p>"Even though a court decides she wouldn't want to live anymore, that doesn't prove a thing."</p>
<p>so...you're going with your gut on this one, right chief? or maybe you saw it in a dream?</p>
<p>"Who have we heard that from? The scumbag husband...Don't speak of fulfilling her wishes, as you do not know her wishes. Let's suppose this happened to you, and you did not have a living will...You have a spouse with malevolent intentions and your parents, who love you...Who would you want making the choice."</p>
<p>not everyone wants to be supported by machine. It puts a huge emotional and financial burden on everyone involved.</p>
<p>".But no, let's just do whatever the husband wants...The husband who just wants her out of the way...The husband who has moved on and started a family with another woman..."</p>
<p>Why should we believe you, and not the husband? And what is he supposed to do, sit at her bed crying for 12 years?</p>