<p>Sakky, I could be wrong but I think Alexandre got his master’s degree from the School of Industrial and Labor Relations. They have a VERY solid human resources program. Definitely well-known among the HR crowd.</p>
<p>Continuing with sakky’s point, most people have never heard of the lower Ivies (B, D, C). Yeah, kids attend the undergraduate programs but how many people seriously get their graduate degrees from these schools? Michigan, Berkeley, Northwestern, and other places have far superior graduate programs.</p>
<p>the_prestige, forget Cal as it is NOT really the argument here. The MAIN argument here is whether Yale’s graduate business school will soar high and break the top 3, as you’ve claimed mainly because of its name and alumni strength.</p>
<p>Take note. You claimed the Yale’s name + alumni strength alone will make it the best graduate business school in the future. Prove that. </p>
<p>Where did I ever make a claim like this? All I did was state that Yale SOM was considered a better school now than 10 years ago and that Yale has the most obvious case of influential leaders in the last 20 years.</p>
<p>That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Oxford will enter the top 3 along with Stanford and Columbia after President C. Clinton leads a successful invasion of the UK.</p>
<p>I never said that either, nor do I think it. I don’t really see Yale SOM breaking the top eight MBA schools any time soon. The low hanging fruit is now behind them.</p>
<p>They are not my cohorts. I simply agree that Yale may have a better chance even considering their track record in academia. I actually do not agree with their detailed reasoning. I am not who you think I am.</p>
<p>On that note – these are the problems I have with their reasoning:
Based off this logic, someone can also argue “Now as for Yale, what’s the special compelling reason people go there? Ivy? Undergraduate prestige? I see, I guess you didn’t get into Harvard. That is something that hasn’t changed – and probably never will.”
You follow and precede this statement up with
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<p>Here, you’re clearly arguing that prominent people elevate the school’s name brand. So the basis of your argument is that a select group of highly publicized people can elevate a school’s name brand.</p>
<p>Based on your logic here, UC-B has just produced the most prominent scientist in the US, Steven Chu – Secretary of Energy. His media coverage outshines almost all current US academics. Furthermore, given the recent trends in science, energy is one of the top fields, and a Berkeley scientist is at the top of that field. Wouldn’t your former statement about the “better scientist” go against your latter argument, which advocates exposure? Even by the pure numbers of scientific accolades among faculty members, your statement would still be incorrect. In fact, I’d argue that it’s the undergraduate reputation that leads you to make this extremely biased claim. You’re not being consistent with your argument.</p>
<p>Now, to extend your logic even further, on the business front – isn’t Google one of the highest profile companies? Google’s CEO has a graduate degree from Berkeley (founders come from Stanford). Wouldn’t that elevate Berkeley’s prestige in the business world? Intel’s most prominent CEO, Andy Grove, in the 90’s also had a graduate degree from Berkeley. Andy Grove was even TIME MAGAZINE’s Man of the Year. Now, I recognize that neither of these people came from Haas, but that’s not the point. These are high profile people that have been associated with Berkeley. Now, I don’t claim to know the business world well. In fact, I may be out of my element in this forum, but I don’t understand your claims and you should be aware of these high profile people as well.</p>
<p>Now, despite my criticisms, I still think Yale has a leg up in US recognition, but you’re not being fair.
Now this is very hard to believe. Even though Cornell (and Brown/Dartmouth/etc…) has a more selective undergraduate program and an “Ivy” name, do they have more high profile media exposure?</p>
<p>how would that boost YALE SOM for its ambitious bid to become the best graduate business school in the world? lol</p>
<p>Stanford GSB, LBS, INSEAD, IMD and CEIBS, for example, don’t have such publicity yet their business schools are the best in the world. </p>
<p>Wildflower, you just don’t get it, do you! graduate business schools don’t need irrelevant media hypes to become world-class and the best. This has been proven by almost all the best business schools on earth. graduate business schools don’t also need an excellent undergrad department. Wharton’s undergrad isn’t on HYPSM’s level, yet Wharton is one of the best graduate business schools on earth. LBS, INSEAD, IMD, to name a few, don’t even have undergrad departments. </p>
<p>Alumni alone can’t boost the image of the schools graduate business schools too. Both Oxford and Cambridge have very strong alumni and have educated leaders not just in the UK but throughout the world, yet their graduate business schools aren’t the best and certainly would not equal to LBS or INSEAD. </p>
<p>And, as for your Jodie Foster link, I’m not impressed by such news. Do you think MBA aspirants and students are that stupid? That news is totally irrelevant to boosting the image of Yale SOM’s MBA program. Do you think a high GMAT scorer with an EECS undergrad from IIT or an Economics degree from Cambridge, for example, would attend a business school purely on such news? You are underestimating the MBA aspirants/students if you think their deciding factor is persuaded by such stupid, nonsense news. I’d personally be more impressed with this kind of news than the one you provided:</p>
<p>Those who won in business plan competitions have all developed business strategies and ideas from scientific breakthroughs. In the future, these people have more potential to become successful as their useful products will be marketed worldwide / are now being marketed worldwide. </p>
<p>Read this article:</p>
<p>Key To Innovation: Universities
Business, government and universities must work together to bring new technologies to market.</p>
<p>*In an ideal world, a capitalist framework would facilitate all the economic progress essential to civilization. Unfortunately, we don’t exist in an ideal world. Innovation, however, is among the areas where capitalism as we know it–private, free market, borderless and without government intervention–fails. And as it turns out, innovation happens to be the need of the hour…</p>
<p>… It is an intricate dance–this tango between industry and academia–with the government playing DJ in the background. Few have learned to dance it well. MIT, Stanford, Berkeley and Carnegie Mellon belong in an elite list of about a dozen universities that do a truly professional job of consistently bringing university-led innovation to market.</p>
<p>Examples abound from those schools. Google ( GOOG - news - people ) from Stanford. Cadence from Berkeley. Akamai from MIT. (Read the story of Tom Leighton, MIT Professor, who co-founded Akamai here.)*</p>
<p>RML. I was not addressing you. I gave up on you quite a bit ago, remember? :)</p>
<p>After all, to answer, TP’s question… I don’t think you are either dishonest or lack reading comprehension skills. I think it’s both. I mean, seriously, anyone who didn’t get that the J. Foster link was a joke… well… </p>
<p>You continue embarrassing yourself, as I suspected you would.</p>
<p>But, again, do you know what working in venture capital entails? Just curious. Don’t lecture me with your non-sense about science in business. It’s idiotic at best.</p>
<p>And, again, and please read slowly so hopefully, perhaps, you’ll get it: no one here has argued that Yale will break into the top 3. But from all other current top-10 schools, it is the one school with the most potential to continue on the rise.</p>
<p>Answer me one question, RML, do you have an MBA?</p>
<p>You gave up on me because you can’t beat me with your poor, lousy and unsubstantiated arguments, which obviously just run in your mind. If only you were prepared before you spout out a load of nonsense claims, you would have sounded credible. Sadly, your arguments are weak and therefore, you lose in this debate. I would understand if your response would be, again, irrelevant and ad hominem. You’re predictable. You resort to personal comments when you run out of alibis. Save your name on this message board and stay on topic. Above all, prove it that Yale SOM will break the top 3 later on due to its name, strong undergrad program and strong alumni network. </p>
<p>No. I gave up on you because it is obvious that you are not worth anyone’s time (not on this forum, not for free). I am actually surprised others have been as kind and tolerant as they have. </p>
<p>I’d like to ask you: why do you think it’s you, and you alone, arguing against everyone else? What’s more reasonable, RML… that you are wrong, or that everyone else is wrong? I think deep inside you know the answer.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, only you, and your best friend, the<em>prestige are the ones who are making this wild claim that Yale SOM will overtake Chicago, Berkeley-Haas, MIT-Sloan and Northwestern-Kellogg soon due to its prestige, strong undergrad dept and alumni roster. Again, only you and the</em>prestige are making such wild, inconceivable claims here. And, only you and the_prestige are the ones that haven’t supported your wild claims with facts. </p>
<p>Again, save your credibility and the honor of your Harvard MBA degree by at least knowing how to provide facts whenever you’ll make an out-of-this-world claim. My sister-in-law has an MBA from HBS and was a Baker Scholar and she does not debate like you do. (But then again, she’s a Baker Scholar or top 5% of her class at HBS.) For example, the last 5 posts or so you’ve made on this thread do not support your argument. They’re posts made by someone who’s deliberately trying to divert the topic because of obvious lack of facts. If that’s your tactic, that’s a poor attempt to win in this debate. </p>
<p>Again, I’d like to know why would Yale break the top graduate business schools pretty soon. So far, each and every reason you’ve provided has failed. I’d like another reason this time. You might hit it unexpectedly this time around.</p>
<p>when you make arguments or fill out applications, do you manage to work in that sweet “sister-in-law” angle? and if so, how’s that working out for you?</p>