The 4th Best Business School

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<p>Well, I can’t agree with the notion that Yale will always be more prestigious than Cal. Prestige rankings do change. For example, it wasn’t that long ago when Stanford was just a regional backwater school of little prestige. Heck, Stanford administrators used to despair at the notion of having to compete in the nearby shadow of Berkeley. Heck, Berkeley itself used to be a purely regional and unprestigious school in the old days. 100 years ago, Berkeley wasn’t even a serious research university. </p>

<p>What I can agree with is that Yale will probably be more prestigious as a whole for the rest of our lifetimes. But to say that Yale will always be more prestigious is going too far.</p>

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<p>Actually, I thought that Alexandre got his undergrad degree from ILR. </p>

<p>But in any case, the question I was answering was not whether ILR has a strong HR program. I was simply talking about the prestige of the general Cornell brand name, and the relationship of that to MBA programs. Let’s be honest - Cornell has the weakest of the Ivy brand names and now, due to the rise of Yale SOM, Cornell clearly has the weakest of the Ivy MBA programs. We can argue - as apparently people here have - over whether to prefer Haas or Yale SOM for the MBA, but nobody seriously thinks that Cornell Johnson would be preferred to either.</p>

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<p>OK, Yale will be more prestigious than Cal as a whole for the rest of our lifetimes - I can live with that.</p>

<p>^ What about for engineering? :wink: :D</p>

<p>For Trekkies, Cal wins big time.</p>

<p>^…Cal Tech?</p>

<p>Spok would have gone to MIT Sloan.
Kirk would have gone to HBS.
Dr. McCoy would have gone to Wharton.
Sulu would have gone to Stanford.
Chekov would have gone to Columbia.
Ohura would have gone to Kellogg.
Scotty would have gone to Chicago.</p>

<p>The ensign who beams down with the main cast and gets killed in the first 3 minutes – that’s your Haas guy.</p>

<p>what about starwars?</p>

<p>Luke - Chicago
Leia - Kellogg
Darth Vader - HBS
Yoda - Wharton
C3PO - Sloan
R2D2 - Sloan (those two are always together)
Han Solo - Stanford
Lando Calrissian - Stanford (buddy of Han’s from business school)
Chewbacca - Tuck
Obi-Wan - Yale
The Emperor - NYU</p>

<p>Not a big fan of the recent 3 movies but,</p>

<p>Jar Jar Binks - University of Phoenix</p>

<p>LOL!!!</p>

<p>Hmmm… I think I’d switch Darth Vader (Wharton) with Yoda (HBS)… and, possibly, Yoda (Yale) with Obi Wan (HBS, or maybe Columbia)… (but I am biased). </p>

<p>And, of course, Jar Jar could have also have gone to Haas… it’s a blurry line there, it’s not quite clear…</p>

<p>I saw some raw footage and Jar Jar was walking around on the set with a Haas sweatshirt.</p>

<p>^Wasn’t that the same guy to whom Christian Bale ranted on the set recently? Clearly not a career on the rise, either…</p>

<p>Wildflower and prestige are obviously Star Wars Trade Federation characters:
<a href=“http://blogs.starwars.com/static/img/image-selector/full/prequel-trilogy/episode-i/13.jpg[/url]”>http://blogs.starwars.com/static/img/image-selector/full/prequel-trilogy/episode-i/13.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>:D</p>

<p>^Sigh. Not quite, jar jar-chemegrad… I am not that good looking.</p>

<p>I wanna be Han Solo or Boba Fett.</p>

<p>What’s the name of Natalie Portman’s character again?</p>

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<p>The_prestige, come on now. All kidding aside, I think we can both agree that Haas is still one of the best B-schools around. You yourself agreed that it was better than Cornell Johnson, which is an Ivy B-school. I would also argue that it is at least equal to and arguably better than Michigan Ross, Virginia Darden, UCLA Anderson, or any of the other top public B-schools. There is no need to equate Haas to Star Trek red shirt cannon fodder.</p>

<p>Out of the public b-schools, Haas is the best. I’d certainly choose it over Ross / Darden / Anderson.</p>

<p>As for Johnson, it has been on a slow decline for the last decade (which I have acknowledged for some time now) – it really can’t be considered “one of the best b-schools” regardless of the fact that its an Ivy.</p>

<p>Haas isn’t a Top 10 b-school anymore in my mind. You’ve got the M7 schools (H/W/S, Columbia, MIT, Chicago, Kellogg), Tuck and Yale / NYU / Duke – all schools I’d attend before Haas (maybe it’s a toss-up between NYU / Duke vs. Haas, but again, it’s a toss-up at best).</p>

<p>Haas is better than MOST other b-schools – which is still damn good – make no mistake about that – but it’s not a Top 10 school – it’s not an ELITE b-school.</p>

<p>If we go back to the “tiered” ranking we used for undergrads, you’ve got:</p>

<p>Tier I - H / W / S
Tier II - MIT / Columbia / Kellogg / Chicago / INSEAD
Tier III - Tuck / Yale / Duke / NYU / Haas / LBS / IMD
Tier IV - Johnson / Ross / Darden / Anderson / Oxford</p>

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<p>Fine, how about the matrix?</p>

<p>prestige, you have an extremely narrow definition of elite. How many MBA programs are there in the world? </p>

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Was it ever? ;)</p>

<p>What is your opinion of Haas’ Financial Engineering program? Everything comes back to engineering, of course.</p>