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so can we conclude, based on this quote, sakky, that you think Yale SOM is the best Marketing school in the country? :)</p>
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<p>Let’s not confuse two subtle but very distinct differences:</p>
<p>1) B-schools with a great marketing program (e.g. Kellogg)
2) B-schools that have done a great job marketing their program (e.g. Yale SOM – at least recently)</p>
<p>No I appreciate that, I was making a joke given how ridiculous Yale has been in the latter category.</p>
<p>Yeah, ridiculously effective. </p>
<p>Frankly, if I had to choose a b-school today, outside the M7 b-schools (H/W/S, MIT, Columbia, Kellogg, Chicago) + Tuck and INSEAD, I’d probably choose Yale over any other school (e.g. over Haas, Ross, NYU, Darden, Duke, Cornell).</p>
<p>Why? Simple. Let’s face it. If you go to Haas or Ross or Duke, you are basically saying “I’m pretty good, but I’m not HBS / Stanford / Wharton good.” So you might as well go to a school is: 1) on the rise; 2) has staying name brand value; and 3) has the potential to break into the Top 5. B-school aficionados might turn their nose up at Yale SOM but most people (i.e. 99.99%) will give it its due – it is “Yale” after all. And with the program now making strides, its only a matter of time before the program is actually churning out top MBA candidates. For example, Haas is a great program, but let’s face it, its never going to rival HBS / Stanford / Wharton – ever. Yale? It’s POSSIBLE. And that is the difference. The power of possibility.</p>
<p>The analogy I made in my earlier arguments for Yale SOM was to take a hypothetical scenario where Princeton were to start a law school. Does anyone not believe that it would just be a matter of time before Princeton Law School starts to attract major talent (both students / faculty)? As I said before, they’d be starting on 3rd base.</p>
<p>At the same time, Yale is never going to have location advantages like Columbia and NYU share, or the advantage in technology-related research and opportunities like MIT offers. I’m trying hard to think of how it might win cross-admit battles with most of the top schools, and I can see it selling features (perhaps greater international focus, or interdisciplinary stuff) to beat out Tuck, or UChicago, and certainly Haas/Ross/Fuqua. But I really can’t see them having the depth of faculty or recruiting to rival H/S/W, Columbia, Stern, Sloan, or even Kellogg.</p>
<p>It’s not that hard to sell the Yale brand name to people pondering MBAs at top public schools like UMichigan or UCBerkeley or UVA. But vs MIT or Columbia? What’s Yale’s angle?</p>
<p>All valid points Denzera. Perhaps they don’t. I think it is a tad bit early to have the MIT vs. Yale SOM discussions as yet… having said that however, going from practically nowhere to challenging and even leapfrogging Haas/Ross/Fuqua is a pretty big “win” already. Its a program with a big name and even bigger momentum. The powerful alumni base (Yale alumni generally not just SOM), $$$ and the Yale brand machine is what they’ve got as a default tailwind. It’s nothing to sneeze at… look at where its taken them so far. It’s like a sleeping giant that woke up about a few years ago and said “excuse me, we are Yale dammit” as they stretch and take long patient strides past reputable MBA programs at Cal, Mich and Duke all running at top speed with their tiny feet.</p>
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<p>This post deserves a big, big laugh. </p>
<p>Yale MBA over Berkeley-Haas MBA? Are you kidding me?</p>
<p>About 5-6 years ago, Yale made a public announcement that it will invest heavily on its engineering department to rival the best schools --on this area-- in the world. Yet 5-6 years have gone now and its engineering program has still not broken the top 10 in the nation. </p>
<p>We all know that it takes a lot of time to build a name in the academe --on a per subject area. Given Yale will break the top 3/5 best business schools in the future, when would this happen? How long? 50 years? 100 years? 200 years? By then, you’re long gone in this world. What good would your MBA then if you’re no longer around? </p>
<p>My cousin is a Yale MBA alumna. She’s happy that at least she graduated from Yale. But she’s always quick to add that she could have been happier (and prouder) had she graduated from a top 10 business school. In other words, even some Yalies themselves would readily admit that their MBA program isn’t a top 10 program yet. Of course, like you, she’s optimistic that her alma mater school would improve in the future. But then again, when will that happen, especially now that all the solid top 10 best schools are also improving?</p>
<p>Look at the average GMAT score of Haas admits. It’s getting higher and higher year after year after year. It’s now even higher than some of the schools you ranked in the top 7. Its graduates continue to be some of the most sought-after by top employers. And, the alumni are continually contributing to make Haas a much better school in the future. How would Yale management school catch up with Haas bschool? And if it would someday, when would this be? 1 million years from now?</p>
<p>Yale > Haas.</p>
<p>Sorry.</p>
<p>^ Well, for you obviously. But I have yet to see a credible ranking league table that would support that claim. </p>
<p>Sorry. As desperate as you would want to believe it, your claim is, sad to say, fallacious. Try telling everyone here that…100 years from now. If you’re still alive then…</p>
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<p>This is true except that it’s not the authors whose job it is to promote the brand of Cosmo, Vogue just as it’s not the Marketing profs whose job it is to promote the brand of Kellogg.</p>
<p>Until about a decade ago, Kellogg’s degree was an MM instead of an MBA as well. What is an M7 school and what does it mean? I never heard of that when I was applying to the MBA schools. </p>
<p>I think this discussion relates to a point of is it more important to have a school be considered a top 10 school when you attend or become a top 10 school after you attend? In the latter case, it could be presumed that you wouldn’t have been admitted had it been considered a top 10 at the time similar to Penn UG of the '90s when the school was ranked ~ 15-20 and now the school this decade is considered top 5. It’s not like those '90s alums should suddenly start being viewed as top 5 grads and it’s still going to be a while that the newer grads are going to be in a position to help the earlier grads.</p>
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<p>gellino, can you tell me where Penn UG was ranked in the 80’s, 70’s 60’s? Penn, as the second oldest university in the US, has always been known as a top university. Hey, they were one of a handful institutions of higher learning for a hundred years before others were established. Its reputation was known around the world before rankings were conceived. Its network has always been influential in any echelon of society.</p>
<p>My friend’s grandfather came over from China (with hundreds of other international students) to attend Penn in 1918. Her father in law ( not related to her grandfather) came from Hong Kong to study at Penn in 1929. I.M. Pei attended Penn from China when he was 18. The Ivies and MIT were the only universities that had any international reputation back in the days. I find all these posts about how these top schools are unknown outside of the US speak volumes about the limited knowledge and experience of the writers themselves.</p>
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<p>Penn is not the second oldest US university. You are limited in your knowledge.</p>
<p>[Oldest</a> U.S. Universities and Colleges — Infoplease.com](<a href=“http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/oldest-us-universities-colleges.html]Oldest”>Oldest U.S. Universities and Colleges)</p>
<p>You should have done a little more research.</p>
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<p>Criteria varies. I am conceding Harvard is the oldest university by some other criteria.</p>
<p>Any college / university established during the Colonial Era (i.e. before the American Revolution – i.e. before the USA even existed – i.e. the Ivies less Cornell) is old as dirt.</p>
<p>^ Wanna feel inconsequential?:
Search “How the Earth was made” on Youtube.</p>
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<p>or you could enroll into Haas.</p>
<p>ha ha (just a small joke)…</p>
<p>Well, not sure if this will help but I came across this one website that has a composite ranking that reflects upon the U.S. News, BusinessWeek, FT, WSJ, etc. I see that #4 is Chicago.</p>
<p>[The</a> Consus Group: Composite Business School Rankings (2008) : The Consus Group Rankings](<a href=“http://consusrankings.com/2008/07/01/the-consus-group-composite-business-school-rankings-2008/]The”>http://consusrankings.com/2008/07/01/the-consus-group-composite-business-school-rankings-2008/)</p>
<p>How big of a donation does an alum have to make to get his/her name on Stanford’s or Harvard’s business school? </p>
<p>I’m thinking Phil Knight has a head start at 'furd.</p>
<p>Knight School of Business…hmmm</p>
<p>I doubt almost any amount of money would suffice in those cases. Although, I wouldn’t have believed Chicago if you told me. Columbia probably would take half a billion at least; the only graduate school of theirs that is named, out of 18 of them, is the Mailman School of Public Health.</p>
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<p>Heard it’s a great program – really “delivers”.</p>