<p>RML, it’s not just the FT ranking, as I posted earlier in this thread:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062582482-post334.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062582482-post334.html</a></p>
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<p>That’s not “opinion”. Those are “facts”. That’s “real data”. Any response to those “proofs”?</p>
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<p>Then Berkeley-Haas and Tuck are equally desirable, despite that both schools don’t have many common applicants. </p>
<p>Here’s the data for both schools:</p>
<p>Berkeley-Haas</p>
<h1>of applicants - 3,779</h1>
<p>Admission Rate - 12%
Yield Rate - 54%</p>
<p>Dartmouth-Tuck</p>
<h1>of applicants - 2,898</h1>
<p>Admission Rate - 16%
Yield Rate - 54%</p>
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Again, it appears that you don’t know how to compute. Either that or you don’t know how to read. Nonetheless, your view that the percentage of alumni giving rate is does not reflect about school’s desirability is wrong. Why would everyone at Haas give back to their alma mater school when they’re not satisfied and contented or happy with their experience at their school? </p>
<p>Storch, it does not matter what your personal opinion and experience is. What maters here is what the data and statistics say. Not your opinion.</p>
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<p>your data is old. Try getting the average using the latest league tables and exclude FT, which is a very flawed ranking that even your own previous professors would vehemently disagree with it.</p>
<p>RML, no the data is not old. Sorry.</p>
<p>And why would I exclude the FT ranking? Because Haas ranks low in it? </p>
<p>You make me laugh man, really, you are joking right?</p>
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<p>The problem is RML is out of his element here since his experience is not with people who hold or aspire to hold an MBA. </p>
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<p>I find it laughable that part of your “proof” that Tuck is inferior to Haas is alumni giving when Tuck has been and continues to be the #1 school by a wide margin. Look at your beloved USNWR rankings. Ae they using most recent class or all alumni as a component of their rankings? Tuck’s alumni giving is over 60% while no other school is even 50%; I don’t understand how you keep ignoring this in your justification. </p>
<p>I’ve never seen a more obsequious and mindless following of the rankings to decide that one school is now superior to another because in one year (after having never done so ever before) it is one spot higher than another. What are you going to do next year when it is one spot lower?</p>
<p>Just a thought - maybe if the requisite criteria were set up before specific schools were named, a consensus could be more easily reached?</p>
<p>Well said gellino, RML’s posts generally border on the absurd. </p>
<p>RML; you aware of the distinction between median and mean, are you not? Almost certainly a few gave a lot and most gave just a little to reach the 80k total, thus making the median quite low. The marketing ploy of having everyone give a little bit from this year’s graduating class indicates very little, if anything. If someone hated the school (probably not very common because Haas is an excellent bschool), they would still likely give $1 so people could say 100% gave this year, thus making their degree look slightly better at basically no cost to them (better to the empty headed at least). Continually pointing to giving that totals a nominal 84,285 USD is is laughable.</p>
<p>You seem to have no response to the fact that Tuck is a consistent leader in alumni giving, but instead you continue to trumpet the same flawed logic, as if repeating something over and over makes it true.</p>
<p>What is it that you do for work? Something in the sciences I assume? What country are you from, is it one that has any top business schools in it? Why is it that you consider yourself to be a credible source of business school knowledge if you have never been to one? I understand that you believe yourself to be fighting for the underdogs, crusading for what you perceive to be truth, but I dont think you really know what you are talking about. You certainly won’t find me posting on engineering forums, pushing my poorly informed opinions on the subject matter on people who know more about it than I do. I attend one of the business schools that you admit is superior to Haas, something I agree with. I am not sure my school is much, if any, better than Tuck though.</p>
<p>I’d say Haas is the legitimate #6 after:</p>
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<li>Wharton</li>
<li>HBS</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Kellogg</li>
<li>Sloan</li>
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<p>In trying to find historical and current alumni giving numbers as “proof” for RML, I came across this service of trying to get people into the top MBA schools. Their list of the top tier of schools are the same 8 discussed in this and other threads. Cal/Berkeley is not the list. Presumably, their whole business is based off of seeing where people want to attend.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.go4bschool.com/decide2.shtml[/url]”>http://www.go4bschool.com/decide2.shtml</a></p>
<p>Think about MBA Programs in Tiers</p>
<p>The difference between number 12 and number 15 in a ranking is probably pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Yet, the difference between a business school that is consistently ranked in the top five versus one ranked 12th or 15th may be significant. Instead of focusing purely on a particular number, group tiers of schools together. For example, Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, MIT, Tuck, Columbia, and University of Chicago are examples of business schools that are often ranked at the top of many lists. Consider these business schools, for example, as tier one schools. Other good business schools that consistently rank lower may be considered second or third tier. Generally, you will find that the same 20 business schools consistently remain at the top of the rankings lists though their individual rankings may change.</p>