The B+ student parents' thread

<p>I like this thread. </p>

<p>I'm so worried that my son won't make it into some of the schools he thinks he wants, because the economy has resulted in kids with more stellar grades applying to them. I just don't even know what to do at this point.</p>

<p>He has a 3.3 average, and that's weighted! He's very bright (was lazy in school) and was in accelerated math (is in calculus in 11th grade) and science (is in physics in 11th grade) so he did take a more rigorous courseload that many kids. He has taken some honors courses along the way, but went from 3 of them freshman year to none now. (It's funny...he took honors chem last year and got a C...now he is in regular physics and getting an A...he should have just stuck with regular classes the whole time!) He has strong SATs...1980 on first try with little preparation (760 in math) and will probably bring that up for the March one as he has now had a bit of preparation. He has great ECs (varsity football, four years...class treasurer, four years, some other leadership stuff, but I'm not sure they matter or can make up for his low GPA.</p>

<p>We live in CT and are looking at UConn, but his guidance counselor told us that they didn't even look at kids this year with less than a 3.4...could that be true? I'm also worried about Penn State (main campus) and Indiana...on paper he looks like he could make it but what if he can't?</p>

<p>He says he wants a big school with a lot going on, school spirit, sports etc....not too too far from home.</p>

<p>What to do.....</p>

<p>ReadyToRoll, does your school have Naviance? Sometimes counselors are wrong at assessing prospects of their students, but more often they're right.</p>

<p>We do have Naviance, but the guidance counselor is saying that Naviance won't help now because even a couple of years ago, schools were accepting lower quality students than what they are now. It's hard to get a straight answer out of her for much, except the UConn comment. She wanted my son to look at American, which is super expensive and I don't think has the best reputation anyway....</p>

<p>Your counselor is certainly right that in the current economic climate, public schools will be harder to get into, and privates will be easier to get into. We're already seeing that this year: more applications at publics (in some cases a LOT more) and application numbers dropping at privates. </p>

<p>American has a good reputation for students interested in politics, but the school spirit your son wants might not be there. Also, American is not known as a math/science school, and that sounds like your son's area of interest.</p>

<p>Thank you again.</p>

<p>He's good at math and science, but I don't think it's his passion. He does like politics and history in general and he would be a terrific debater (our school doesn't have a team). He's definitely not going into engineering. He claims he doesn't like to write, but is not too bad at it.</p>

<p>I feel like I should be enjoying this part of the process and I am soooo not!!</p>

<p>I also am the parent of a B+ student who is now hearing back from colleges, so I thought I would share the results and my advice. </p>

<p>I sympathize with many of the parents who have been posting to this thread. I was a valedictorian, #1 in my class, etc., and was accepted at every school I applied to (I wound up at Northwestern). I expected getting my kid into college would be easy -- and it is for kids who are the A and A+ mega-SAT score students (my son has a friend at Harvard who was a teen Jeopardy champion; was there any doubt Harvard would take him?). Though he got all As in elementary and middle school, by my S's sophomore year it was pretty clear that he wasn't going to be Ivy League material (can't blame this on my husband, either -- he went to graduate school in econ at Univ. of Chicago). While this made the college search more difficult, it also made it more interesting.</p>

<p>My son has a 3.3 unweighted GPA (based on the inclusion of his 1st sr. semester grades) and a 3.8 weighted GPA; also SAT scores of 590CR/590M/640W. Has taken 5 AP classes and all other honors classes during HS, but has not done very well on the AP exams (he has never been a very good taker of timed tests). He also has participated in a lot of ECs, including a lot of volunteer work and he was the head of his school's a cappella group, though he is not an athlete (he took fencing lessons, irregularly). I think he wrote a great CA essay and some very good supplementary essays, but I know that the essays are the most subjectively evaluated of all application information. He also got recommendation from teachers who really like him and care about him.</p>

<p>He applied to 16 schools because, to be frank, we had no idea where he might be accepted; for most of them his gpa and SAT scores were at the low end of the middle 50% range. His personal requirements were that the schools have marketing/advertising majors, be small to medium-sized, have a decent Jewish population (he is one of 6 Jewish kids in his high school and he is sort of tired of being the token), and be in a well-regarded college town or in a metropolitan area. Two of the schools were large, public universities with great reputations, but he did not apply to any school in state. As of today, he has heard from 7 schools (the 2 public universities and 3 private colleges) and has been accepted at 5, and waitlisted at 2, which were two of the 5 reach schools he applied to. He has gotten merit $$ from every school but the last one to which he was accepted (and we may still hear from them since he just got his acceptance last week). The two public universities gave him $3,000/year and $2,000/year; the 2 private colleges gave him $12,000/year, making them competitive with out-of-state tuition for state schools. </p>

<p>Based on our experience (at least so far) there are schools that really want your B+ child and are willing to him him/her $$ to go there. Even if my son doesn't get into another school, he would be happy going to any of the schools to which he has been accepted. I would recommend reading books like "Treasure Schools" and "40 Colleges That Change Lives" for ideas on schools that might fit your child's academic and social personality --there really are dozens (if not hundreds) of them out there. </p>

<p>To conclude: Try not to get hung up on where you want your children to go to college; help them find colleges where they will be happy, intellectually challenged, socially active, and not overly stressed. Once your child gets excited about finding those schools, you and he (or she will) realize that there are actually a surfeit of options that meet most of their requirements.</p>

<p>ReadyToRoll -- I find it hard to believe that UCONN would reject a kid with a 3.4 GPA, good ECs and leadership experience, and (most likely) 2000+ SATs. Public colleges and universities are usually stats driven in their admissions criteria and I think he has those standardized test scores on his side. This doesn't mean he'll get in, but I think either the GC is being overly pessimistic or he/she is sending a message that the GC's recommendation won't be stellar.</p>

<p>KYKidsmom, thanks for your post! It's very reassuring. Sounds like you guys took a good path and your son will have a lot of choices to end up with a great college experience.</p>

<p>There's so much doom and gloom on CC.... "no one gets in to good schools anymore".... probably because so many people here are focused on the schools that admit less than 20% of their applicants. Thanks for some good news from the <em>real world</em>.</p>

<p>KYKidsmom, thanks for posting. I too have a child who does not test well and her grades and scores do not reflect her understanding of material. (actually they are very similar to your Son's). I hope she does as well as your son did.</p>

<p>KYKidsmom- We not only have the same son, but we are both graduates of Northwestern! My very bright son has been very lazy academically throughout high school. He too has taken many honors and AP courses, but has really not applied himself... hence, the mediocre grades and great SATs. We have heard from 4 schools so far. He has been waitlisted at one, and accepted at 3 (one with merit $$$). When we started this process, these schools were not on my dream list for my son. However, they are great schools, and I am confident that he could be happy and successful at any one of them.</p>

<p>I think the take away message is that there are great schools and opportunities for students at every level. Like KYkidsmom, my son applied at 16 schools because we had no idea where he would be accepted. I heard so many horror stories that I was rather pessimitic. His gpa is 3.2 and SAT is 1200/1860. He is hardworking, and his recs reflected that. He has been accepted at 9 schools so far (Ohio State, Ohio U, Miami U, Kent State, Penn State, John Carroll, Xavier, St. Louis Univ and Marquette.), 1 waitlist
(College of Wooster) and will hear from 6 more RD. I list all these schools only because it might give someone else some encouragement. I honestly never dreamed he would have so many great options - not to disrespect him, but only because there are so many talented hardworking students out there and the competition is fierce.</p>

<p>Heartart: thanks for your post....</p>

<p>KYkidsmom: could you PM me your son's list.??....D2 has very similar criteria (although not as much rigor in her curriculum)....</p>

<p>me too, if you're in a PMing mood. D has a lot of rigor but scores low (test anxiety) and she is very interested in a heavily Jewish school as well.</p>

<p>ReadyToRoll, One of my kids with similar stats got into Indiana and U-Arizona and, by the way, didn't get into American. I think he's got a great shot at Indiana.</p>

<p>Thanks 2college.</p>

<p>What is Bentley like?</p>

<p>New to the thread...mom of a junior in a very competitive NYC private school with hardest course load offered...double honors language since grade 9, honors math and AP English Lit this year. Expect AP history and Calc next year. Should finish this year w/3.5-3.6 uw...darn that Physics. My question is>>>East coast (mostly NY, PA, CT) with cinema/film studies concentration. Reaches are the obvious choices: Cornell (legacy), Wes, Vassar. Safety: Purchase. In between? Do not really know and these will be the most realistic matches I am sure. Great EC's, 5 year Varsity swimmer, will have great recommendations, etc and school is very well known. Anyone have any thoughts on match schools?</p>

<p>^^^Let me add: 196 PSAT's. Expect SAT scores in high 600's/low 700's based on recent practice tests.</p>

<p>Kalodie, with all due respect...our kids aren't looking at schools like Cornell and Wesleyan. There are hundreds of threads here on CC where you can talk to the ultra-elite. The parents on this thread are dealing with B+ students and we (or at least I) don't need to be reminded how superior other kids are at this point!</p>

<p>P.S. I just did a search of your other threads. In those, you say you are a HS Junior but here you say you are a mom?</p>

<p>Ready to roll, I have visited Bentley several years ago with S #1. It is a beautiful school, and had the latest technology. It is a very hilly campus. You need to know that you want to want to major in something that is under the business heading, or this is not a great choice. It is outside of Boston, but close enough to take advantage of some things that Boston has to offer. My son applied and was accepted, but even with a 1/3 tuition scholarship it was unaffordable for us. I felt quite sad about that bc I really loved this school.</p>

<p>Ready to roll...my kid and I share our membership so your observations were correct but I thought I would ask question here and boy did you misinterpret...I in no way think my kid is superior and asked a question in earnest because she is a B student as the thread indicates. I was asking for match schools realizing those listed are reaches. I guess you were offended? Seems a little ridiculous when it is obviously not meant in that vein. I guess this thread is not for everyone.</p>