The College Formerly Known as Yale

I don’t drink. I will go chill out instead. :wink:

Alternatively, there’s also a stop at those dispensaries with the green crosses… :wink:

@albert69, it was for your second humor, “So now we’re discriminating against comedian wanna-bes? And attempting to segregate us to one portion of the forum? Sniff, sniff, now I can never read a certain c-word again without painful memories of discrimination.”

slightly off topic, but related…

I have always wondered why they have not renamed the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma Alabama. Named for a KKK Grand Dragon as recently as 1940 and site of such a horrific assault on peaceful protesters, it seems like a national disgrace with those giant unmistakable letters.

But possibly people today drive up to it and exclaim, “OMG this is the spot where that happened” and in that way it is a bit more immediate and contemplative than had the bridge been anonymous-ized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Pettus_Bridge

@jym626, I don’t touch pot, and I erased most of this post. Because I am behaving myself. :slight_smile:

I am happy with Vanderbilt. I wish my attorney called me today, but I will settle for Vanderbilt’s decision.

When I was in Liverpool, England, last fall, I heard that Penny Lane (as in the song) was named after a slave trader. Should the street- now famous as a tourist attraction - be renamed? There’s no reason to believe the Beatles were celebrating slavery or the slave trade - it was simply a street that played a part in their everyday lives.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/10/arts.artsnews

Relevant parts of the article are below:

It is arguably Liverpool’s most famous street, immortalised by Paul McCartney as being “there beneath the blue suburban skies”. But under a controversial new plan to right old wrongs, Penny Lane could soon be no more.
Liverpool council is in the midst of a debate over whether Penny Lane and other suburban streets should undergo name changes to remove their links with the slave trade. Named after wealthy slave trader James Penny, it is one of seven streets which may be renamed after people who fought against slavery, rather than 18th century traders who profited from it.

The renaming proposal has caused much angst among those protective of the Beatles’ legacy and anti-racism campaigners. Phil Coppell, Beatles expert and childhood friend of Paul McCartney, said renaming Penny Lane was ludicrous. “Penny Lane has become synonymous with the Beatles and is part of Liverpool’s and the UK’s proud music heritage,” he said. “To rename it would be a travesty.” (snip)
The Merseyside Campaign Against Racist Terrorism group says the street names should be replaced with names that celebrate successful black people.

Critics see the move as an attempt to whitewash history. The director of the Beatles Story tour, Jerry Goldman, said: “It is a historical fact that Liverpool’s fortunes were built on the slave trade. I am sure even the Beatles would have been unaware of its origins. To them it was just a place to hang out.”

Re the Vanderbilt hall …

I might humbly suggest that it probably is a higher institutional priority for an institution located in a former slave state to make moves to publicly disassociate itself from seeming to honor the Confederacy / support slavery, than it might be for an institution located in Connecticut.

Why?

If I’m reading correctly, both Calhoun College and Confederate Memorial Hall were named in the 1930s.

Maybe it has to do with the stereotype that all southern states are racist?

  1. The slippery slope only happens if you just let anyone rename things for no reason. In this case, there's a clear, well articulated justification for renaming Calhoun hall - the guy was an avid proponent of slavery, and, quite frankly, there are many more important figures to replace him with. It's not like we're setting a precedent that we rename *everything* that offends anyone, for whatever reason; it's a targeted example.
  2. The "we want to teach history" is *helped* by these protests; I'm pretty sure a lot more people now know about Calhoun and his involvement with Yale than they had before.
  3. If it establishes a stereotype of "social justice warriors"...that's kind of due to the judgments of the same people who are mocking it.

(Patiently) No, Albert69, it has nothing to do with any “stereotype” and everything to do with the fact that one of these colleges is actually LOCATED in a place that was on the side of slavery during the Civil War and one wasn’t.

(I’m a huge Vandy fan, btw. Terrific school and I’d have sent my kids there in a heartbeat if they had been so inclined.)

“2. The “we want to teach history” is helped by these protests; I’m pretty sure a lot more people now know about Calhoun and his involvement with Yale than they had before.”

Yes, IN THE MOMENT. After the protests are done with and the hall is (hypothetically) renamed, where’s the opportunity? I still maintain the teaching of history is better served by keeping it and then having plaques / whatever that provide the explanatory context.

If the hall gets named to someone new, and they’re discussing the person in question on like a tour or something, they’re probably going to also mention why it’s named after him/her, and subsequently Calhoun; that unique story will stick better in people’s heads, and we get to learn about two people.

But honestly I think it’s a small reason to want people to know who Calhoun was. There are more important historical figures you could name the hall after to talk about.

Okay, that’s a fair point.
Of course, the # of people in this country who are ever going to be on a Yale campus tour and hear about this anyway is infinitesimal, but your point is well-taken.

I think we should celebrate the fact that the Campaign Against Racist Terrorism no longer has anything better to do than rename suburban streets.

For some odd reason, it struck me as peculiar that the “Campaign Against Racist Terrorism” chose a name whose acronym is “CART”. Carry on.

So Vandy will be spending $1.2M to give the $ back in today’s dollars and sandblast the name on the building. Wonder if they will raise tuition or do a more aggressive fundraising campaign, or if thats merely a drop in their endowment coffers and/or building maintenance and legal services budget. Wonder if Yale did a McKinsey study and/or surveyed the big alum donors to get feedback on the Calhoun naming issue to get a feel for what the change might be in potential lost/gained donation dollars.

$1.2M is about 0.03% of Vandy’s 4B+ endowment.

I think it is better to consider it in terms of the annual spend of the endowment. At 4% per year, it is about 0.75% of the projected spend from the endowment.

Actually, the best way to look at it is to see who is paying. :slight_smile:

This was mentioned in the first link I posted.

Here is another link with the explanation about who is paying.

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2016/08/chancellor-memorial/

Anonymous donors are paying the $1.2 million.