Wow The Prestige has a really good cast. It looks like it would either be really interesting, or just ambigious and strange lol. I hope it’s really good!
Still, how could having an amazing athletic division hurt any college? I remember when a Cornell wrestler won nationals and went to the olympics, the college promoted it to death
Exactly…lots of the athletes are still great. It’s just they compete against other ivy league colleges, and then perhaps go pro. Just a different life style I guess you could say…lol
Indeed it does:
Hugh Jackman
Christian Bale
Michael Caine
Scarlett Johansson
David Bowie
Directed by Christian Nolan (Batman Begins, Momento):
Check out the preview:
<a href=“http://www.apple.com/trailers/touchstone/theprestige/[/url]”>http://www.apple.com/trailers/touchstone/theprestige/</a>
But if they can compete in the big media sports of football and basketball, why don’t they? they don’t even let their football teams compete in the Div. I-AA tourney becuase the final falls on finals week.
lol Momento was insano
I thought it was hyped up.
No. I mentioned your name because obviously someone with that name would think that the ivies are above all other schools and deserve their own section.
how superficial. i guess by that logic everyone should assume that YOU think you are “priceless”? that’s some pretty low level thinking.
further, did i say that the Ivies are “above all other schools”? no i did not. see there is a slight (but very important) distinction in my responses. it’s a nuance that some people will get and some people obviously won’t.
i was merely responding to complaints (more like whining) about why there is a dedicated Ivy board vs. others. when clearly, the interest, demand, impetus is fully justified. it’s a simple matter of supply and demand.
if, overnight, interest in the Ivies dropped like a stone and admission into the PAC-10 or ACC or other grouping became the next big thing, then they’d find themselves with a dedicated group due to overwhelming demand. is it “fair” that Ivies get the lion’s share of attention? well, that’s more a philosophical discussion - and frankly, irrelevant at the end of the day. it is what it is. all things being equal, parents would like to send their kids to an Ivy school - all things being equal, graduating seniors would be able to have the luxury to enroll into an Ivy of their choosing (or reject it if they so choose). however, THE REALITY is the other way around - in other words, DEMAND way outstrips supply for an Ivy spot. that’s just fact. is it “warranted”, “justified”, “fair”?
well, is life “fair”? thing’s aren’t always about what’s “fair” or “deserved”. is it “fair” that rich people never have to worry about tuition? is it “fair” that good looking people have an easier life?
some thing’s are what they are. Ivies receive a disproportionate amount of interest on a website dedicated to college discussion - so is it a big surprise that they have a dedicated forum? the fact that they do just reflects reality - nothing less, nothing more. furthermore, there really is nothing that you (or I) can do about it. i’m neither advocating that phenomenon nor am i discriminating against it. i am merely pointing out what is reality.
“deserves got nothing to do with it.” - Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven
“if, overnight, interest in the Ivies dropped like a stone and admission into the PAC-10 or ACC or other grouping became the next big thing, then they’d find themselves with a dedicated group due to overwhelming demand.”
-Do you even have any idea how many applications the PAC- 10 gets every year??? :rolleyes:
Per capita (or per available spot)? i.e. the ratio apps vs. spaces - i don’t know the numbers of the top of my head but i’d be willing to bet that the ivies on average beat PAC-10 numbers
Just the total number of applicants… No averaging, pure numbers…
What’s the pac-10 with the largest amount of applicants and whats the number? I’d be willing to bet Cornell or Upenn or Columbia (or even Harvard and Yale even tho they r small) beats it.
Perhaps Stanford could compete…I live in the northeast so I’m not sure about the applicants
hmmm actually i really don’t know about those schools at all for applicants…so I kinda feel like im about to be proven wrong lol
In 2004:
20195 – Stanford
31634 – USC
42227 - UCLA
36967 - Berkeley
…… And there are still 6 schools left!
16510 -Princeton
22796 - Harvard
19451 - Yale
18125 - Columbia
12756 - Dartmouth
18824 - Penn
16911 - Brown
24452 – Cornell
That’s totally ■■■■■■■■. The entire UC system has about 160,000 undergraduates - that’s like a small city.
Compare that to the average Ivy which has maybe 5,000 undergrads.
Without normalizing for spaces available / per capita - the result would be totally meaningless. How do you compare a relatively small school vs. a mammoth school like, say Cal, with over 20,000 undergrads (5 times the average number at any given Ivy)?
Finally, you are taking only part of my theoretical equation there (i.e. I mentioned IF there were a situation where the Ivies’ popularity dropped AND another group shot up and took it’s place - but I don’t see the popularity of the Ivies dropping any time soon - in fact it only increases over time)
I understand all of that. I just think it ignorant to assume that Ivy League schools are the only ones that receive a large amount of applicants. Also, there is no need to norm anything. The amount of applicants a school receives is the amount it receives, large size or not.
O that’s cool about the PAC 10. After I wrote that post I realized that would probably be true since it is the other side of the country and the smart people from the west probably all apply there lol. - Per capita is really important and should be considered.
Ah ha. And therein lies your fundamental error.
I never ASSUMED that Ivy schools are the only ones that receive a large amount of applicants. WHEN did I ever say / state that? I challenge you to find a single post of mine that states as such.
Don’t for a minute confuse activity on a board (posts) like CC (which btw is what we were discussing) vs. ACTUAL APPLICATIONS.
What I was arguing and what people were whining about was why the Ivies have a dedicated forum on CC - and I have proven that the popularity / activity (in the number of posts) FULLY justifies it.
I never said anything about actual applications.
Finally, I think that is one of the important functions that CC serves. A self weeding out process if you will. I think that once prospective students better educate themselves about where they actually stand and get a better sense of the qualifications and odds, many may end up realizing that their efforts are probably better spent sending in an application where they are a “match” vs. a potential “reach” like an Ivy.
I mean your local 1-800-Technical Institute probably gets plenty of applications - that says nothing about the quality of the institution in question.
So, in summary - let’s not confuse my pointing out the board activity on the Ivy forums as justification for it having a separate forum and then somehow morph it into an applications discussion.
… :rolleyes:
So in summary, yeah I think the OP has a good idea going. I mean, there is a forum called “University of California - General.” Even if it’s not esaily accessible, it still gets a lot of posts. There should be an Ivy League general forum. Many people really just want to find out general Ivy League information anyway.