The Negatives of UChicago?

<p>Hey, I have spent the past few days looking up the University of Chicago, and researching the opinions of those who attend it. While I am aware that the slogan "Where fun comes to die" is more self-deprecation than reality, but I am still slightly curious as to what instills extreme sentiment against the university in some people. Let me explain.</p>

<p>Among the reviews of all universities, there is invariably a portion of the student body that abhors the institution, talks about how it was the biggest mistake of their life, etc. Clearly, this is not isolated to any particular college, since it's present in the reviews of all (this website shows what I'm talking about: students review followed by dot com, no space)</p>

<p>Almost everything I have read about UChicago has really resonated with the environment I want for my college experience, but I still must ask: is there anything specific to the University of Chicago that causes this minority of dissenters, or is it merely the small group of people who are always discontent? Thanks, and please be candid in your response.</p>

<p>From what I have heard, there will always be that small percentage of people at any given college who do not enjoy their experience there.</p>

<p>It’s pretty cold there…</p>

<p>Most of the people who really complain about the university are not students who have attended in the last few years. They were students 10-20 years ago, when the University basically had abandoned the College and cared very little for its students besides their tuition payments. You might’ve heard that 15 years ago, the acceptance rate for the UChicago College was over 70%. This was because it was so undesirable and lacking prestige that no one wanted to come other than hardcore intellectuals and students who couldn’t get into the Ivies or other elites. From what I’ve heard, the College was a miserable place at the time.</p>

<p>But this was 10-20 years ago, and the University has made an amazing turnaround. The acceptance rate this year will be sub-15%, which implies that the acceptance rate has dropped by over 55% in the last 15 years. The prestige of the College has greatly increased, there have been substantial improvements to student life and financial aid, and the University has regained its spot as a top 10 university both in national/world rankings and within the minds of students and researchers.</p>

<p>Recent rankings notwithstanding, if I recall correctly, UChicago back in the mid to late seventies was once ranked in the top 5 amongst national research universities. </p>

<p>Granted, this was before US News came out with its own rankings and set of metrics and I believe that the particular survey in question was based on a “reputation survey” of academics at the time.</p>

<p>Its all very fuzzy since I came across it when I was a kid. But the main point is that the school actually held a great deal of prestige in earlier days, then dropped off the charts for a while, and is only now regaining its previous stature.</p>

<p>I have found college ******* to be pretty accurate http://**************.com/university-of-chicago/</p>

<p>negative- parking, weather and greek life</p>

<p>Negatives:
No parking anywhere, some dorms suck (luckily there are plenty of good ones), freezing cold weather, commute to downtown is a little annoying at times but not too bad, dining hall food gets repetitive, and there’s constant construction on campus which is rather annoying.</p>

<p>But all of these combined still don’t outweigh the positives! :)</p>

<p>Hey I saw in another thread in the Harvard section saying that this is a kinda “nerdy” college is this true?</p>

<p>Yes UChicago is nerdy. Harvard is also easy… hence our t-shirt that says: “If I wanted an A, I would’ve gone to Harvard.” But I’ve never been to Harvard so I can’t really say whether this is actually true.</p>

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and I assume the back of the T-shirt says “but I didn’t get in (or for that matter, any other ivy)”…</p>

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<p>nah were kind of a party school</p>

<p>speaking of, whos up for beer pong??</p>

<p>@trollnyc
Actually, I didn’t apply to Harvard. Didn’t want to waste my mojo on undergrad… their grad schools are much more up my alley. </p>

<p>haavain is somewhat right. There are lots of parties, but I wouldn’t even dream of comparing UChicago parties to UIUC, IU, or Purdue. This is just a guess, but they might be somewhat comparable to, dare I say it, Northwestern.</p>

<p>=-O</p>

<p>You said the N word. </p>

<p>SHAME.</p>

<p>I imagine I’ll be receiving an email shortly from the College notifying me of my expulsion.</p>

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<p>tell me about it man</p>

<p>i been crying into my cheerios bout that since april 1</p>

<p>also the beer</p>

<p>[clears throat]</p>

<p>Er, anyway. Like people have said above, OP, any university will have students who have mostly negative/ambivalent feelings about it. These people are generally bad fits for the school, which is why they feel its flaws so acutely–imagine the stereotypical UChicago student, with the intellectual conversations and the quirky hobbies and the Marx, at–well, at a party school where everyone just wants to play beer pong.</p>

<p>There may be many good things about this large party school! They’ll let you take whatever classes you want–and, since you have lots of AP credit, you’ll be able to double or even triple major. You know you’ll be towards the top of the class, so you won’t feel like you’re constantly living in a pressure cooker, wondering if you can keep up with everyone else. Departments XYZ are pretty good, and if you’re assertive enough, you can do research with the professors. There’s a thriving extracurricular scene, and the parties are great, and so is the football team. And so on and so forth.</p>

<p>–but none of those things matter, or matter enough, to our hypothetical student. They’re bored out of their mind at the easy classes, they’re miserable that no one seems to want to talk about the things they’re interested in, and they can’t stand all these idiots who get ****faced drunk every weekend and throw up on the lawn. Do you see what I mean? The problems that our student sees with Large Party School are not just flaws, they’re important parts of the schools culture that a lot of people enjoy, or at least inevitable consequences of that culture. Changing them would require turning Large Party School into something it’s not, and alienating all the people who enjoy it just the way it is.</p>

<p>Similarly, the people who hate UChicago aren’t worked up in a froth about the bad food or lack of parking. They hate the Core and wish they could just take stuff they actually care about; they wish that the extracurriculars were stronger and that there was more school spirit, and GOD all these kids are so PRETENTIOUS with their trying to have deep conversations about a bunch of BS all the time, and why are they so socially awkward and what exactly is the POINT of lowering everyone’s GPA like this, all you’re doing is killing my chances of getting into med school. All these are valid criticisms! But the Core is an important part of Chicago, the difficulty of the classes is an important part of Chicago, and the pretension and awkwardness of some of the students is a direct consequence of trying to attract quirky and intellectual kids. In other words, it’s impossible for Chicago to accommodate these kids to an extent that would satisfy them. Their problem is with Chicago itself, the most important parts of its institutional culture.</p>

<p>IMO, Chicago gets more critics of this nature because it has a very distinct institutional culture, moreso than its peer schools, and because its culture is not one that suits a lot of students. (I mean, imagine making the same kind of criticisms about Brown. “I hate that it’s so easy to get an A here! And what is WITH this being able to take whatever you want?”) There will be more people here who are bad fits for the school, and the fact that they are bad fits will be more pronounced. But on the other hand, if you are the kind of person to appreciate them, the positive qualities of Chicago are as distinct as the flaws.</p>

<p>You just have to think long and hard about whether you’ll fit in here, s’all. I hope that answered your question.</p>

<p>So, haavain, from your experience, do you really see that Chicago is as intellectual as it is made out to be on CC? I’ve read several forums postings on this and college rankings websites, but I’d like to confirm from an actual student that Chicago actually does have an distinct intellectual taste. Perhaps I’m dwelling too much on the word “intellectual” because I’m reading “Anti-intellectualism in American Life” right now, haha.</p>

<p>I can confirm as well.</p>

<p>Well, we don’t have stilted viewbook conversations about Marx and Engels every day. So if you were hoping for that, I’m sorry to disappoint you.</p>

<p>I really don’t know how the “intellectual spirit” at Chicago compares to that of its peers. But it’s definitely there: everyone I know is excited about ideas, about their classes, about things they learn. I’m always impressed by the knowledge people around me have and the ideas they express–I’ve had incredibly thoughtful conversations (even with people who pit themselves against the Chicago ethos, or who seem terrifically anti-intellectual at first), on everything from supermarket lines to Socrates to sex. Someone at the dinner table will complain about how Rousseau or whoever is such BS, and someone else will jump in to challenge them. We like to think and ponder and think about pondering, to paraphrase a housemate of mine (he, ah, didn’t mean it in a very complimentary way, but see my post above).</p>

<p>That’s just my opinion though, and it does depend on who you surround yourself with.</p>

<p>Holy ****!</p>

<p>haavain, in the long and storied history of posts by Chicago students in this forum trying to explain what’s different and what’s not to outsiders, your last two are some of the absolute best.</p>

<p>Outsiders/prospies: That’s what’s special about the University of Chicago.</p>