<p>thats a huge loophole!</p>
<p>now, what I am concerned about are the SAT IIs. i mean, i did ok on the ones i did take but im nervous now about having to send them too in addition to my higher ones. i also plan on applying to stanford and pomona :(.
are these only for sats or also for sat iis? sats they might want to superscore, so i can justify that....if its also for sat iis, that whole "we look at your best scores thing" is total bs...</p>
<p>SAT shows it all.. subject and SAT I's. However, Dartmouth clearly says it only considers your first two scores. Guys.. seriously, I think they're pretty used to long score reports and know exactly what they're looking for.</p>
<p>we obviously all want to apply to dartmouth.</p>
<p>To be fair to CollegeBoard: I had read their first statement on their website regarding Score Choice on the date of the original announcement and several times after that. </p>
<p>They have ALWAYS had a disclaimer there essentially saying that students should abide with the score reporting requirements set by individual colleges. And that disclaimer had always bothered me. The current disclaimer says:</p>
<p>"Students will be encouraged to follow the different score-reporting requirements of each college to which they apply."</p>
<p>In terms of 'reading comprehension', their annoucement would probably qualify as a 'hard' passage.</p>
<p>Speaking of reading comprehension: </p>
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<p>Score</a> Choice - New SAT Score-Reporting Policy </p>
<p>Ladies and gentlemen, it isn't March 2009 yet. No one should be surprised if the scores on a December 2008 exam are reported to colleges--College Board always said they would be. </p>
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<p>I just noticed that grammatical error. I guess I wouldn't get an 800 in Writing.</p>
<p>Just to clarify- while score choice will be available starting with the March 2009 test, it will be retroactive..i.e, you will be able to pick and choose the scores you want to send- including scores you took in 08, 07 or earlier. </p>
<p>Unless, of course, the college you want to send the scores to asks you to send all your scores.</p>
<p>Vicariousparent is correct about score choice being retroactive for those taking the a SAT exam after March '09. </p>
<p>From the Collegeboard's website:
"After implementation, students will have the ability to send scores from tests taken prior to the launch. For example, a student who took a Biology Subject Test and a World History Subject Test as a sophomore in June 2008—and who then takes the SAT in spring 2009—can choose whether or not to include the Biology and World History Subject Test scores and/or SAT score on the score report."</p>
<p>I've read a lot of threads here on CC in which people point out that selective schools use "wholistic" criteria, and generally think that's a good thing. It seems to me, though, from this thread, that people aren't so happy with a college that wants to look at scores wholistically.
If a school really wanted to understand what you scores meant, they would ask you for all scores, and they would also ask you to identify what kind of prep you did, including all prep courses or tutoring. I guess they may effectively do this now by assuming that more affluent applicants have prepped, and that those who are less affluent haven't. I think we all recognize that there is a difference between two students who got different scores, say 1800 and 2100, on the SAT in junior year, who both took a prep course, and then both got 2200 in the senior year. But which is a better admit?</p>
<p>It is not about being evaluated wholistically that is the problem. The problem is the loophole that many posters here, as well as other test takers, were not made aware of prior to sitting for some exams. I do not see too many colleges that have spelled out that one must submit all SAT scores when applying on their websites yet. In fact none of the college websites that I checked have stated this. There was a big plug for the SAT becoming a score choice test.</p>
<p>Hunt: actually until this discussion was started the two candidates you described were "supposedly" looked at the same way; "the highest scores counted"...that was what students were led to believe.....this "change" was supposed to circumvent that by allowing the student to choose their highest score. By schools "opting out" of the score choice, it implies that they were technically taking the lower scores into consideration all along...not what they told the public however....
yes, if they were "holistically" looking at the applications, it would make sense, but keep in mind that was not what students were told about standardized tests.......</p>
<p>^^There could be another reason schools opt out of Score Choice, one that has nothing to do with evaluating students' application files. For purposes of creating the Common Data Sets that form the basis of rankings created by US News and others, these colleges want to be able to cherry-pick matriculants' highest test subscores. </p>
<p>Here’s an example: At one sitting, a student earns a Math subscore of 750 and a composite of 2200. At another sitting, the same student earns a Math subscore of 720 and a composite of 2250. Given the choice, the student would send only the score from the 2250 sitting. But some colleges still want to see the lower composite with the higher Math subscore, not to penalize the student, but to factor that subscore into its CDS in the event the student attends. It wants to see that score to boost the average of the scores it reports publicly, not to take the lower composite score into consideration for admissions purposes.</p>
<p>wjb, I agree with you about schools wanting highest subscores so that they can superscore. A test taker that has a very low score for some schools still might not want to submit one seating. For example, if a student has a m-670, v-450, w-580 one seating, but has a m-660, v-580, w-650 the second time, they might prefer not to submit the first seating bc they have a 450 for their verbal score. The school who wants to report the 670 in math wants both seatings. The student feels that the 10 point difference in math is not worth them seeing a 450 verbal score. That is the problem for students if schools opting out of score choice, IMO.</p>
<p>I don't understand the need for bringing back Score Choice since most colleges look at your best SAT scores anyway.</p>
<p>But franglish, the .com after someone's name does not mean that they're for profit -- there are a lot of non-profit sites that have .com after their name. Their profit status depends on what the federal government designates them, and they certainly are designated as a non-profit.</p>
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<p>Exactly. College Board responds to worries that were groundless in the first place, and then more people start to worry.</p>
<p>Could we please get a thread with a list of colleges that do not accept SAT Score Choice started? It would be extremely beneficial many of us.</p>
<p>mulberrypie, one parent tried to get that started already. I don't think too many schools have disclosed an opt out of score choice policy yet. At least not the few websites that I have checked. It would be interesting to see the list.</p>
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I doubt if it's happening now. Schools doing that couldn't hope to keep it under the lid with so many ex-adcoms turning education consultants nowadays. The 'truth' behind the closed doors would come out sooner or later.</p>
<p>^^haha...wonder who you are (cough, cough Stetson) referring to? Yea, I guess you are right, but it does smell of a rat, doesn't it? I could definitely see a school like Wash U who keeps all their stuff under wraps to do something like this; increases their ranking and they are known for being "stat obsessed".....</p>
<p>Despite all the mountains of evidence to the contrary, including all those links kindly provided by tokenadult, I do suspect that in some circumstances it would be useful to withold scores from colleges.</p>
<p>For example, if an exam-obsessed student takes the SAT five times with minimal and variable improvement, I think it would be to this student's advantage to hide the fact that he/she took the test so many times. If nothing, it would look (correctly) like this student is exam-obsessed and doesn't have better things to do on Saturday mornings. Yes, I know that the harvard rep looked tokenadult straight in the eye and told him it would make no difference, but I'm not sure there wouldn't be a subtle subjective bias introduced in the minds of a reviewer. I know if I were reviewing such a student's packet I would do a double take and roll my eyes a bit. </p>
<p>Similarly if a student has straight A grades in Biology, wants to apply as a Bio major, but scored poorly in the SAT Bio subject test it would probably be better for that student to specifically suppress the Bio subject score. The low SAT Bio score might raise questions about the rigor of this student's h.s. biology course.</p>