<p>phanta, why don’t you cut/paste examples for us…</p>
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<p>I will do the same in terms of the false and misleading statements that you have been making about everything</p>
<p>for instance, tells us again how you claim that in the history of Stanford, it has always rained a measurable amount at least one day in each month of every year of every decade…</p>
<p>or how you are using false <20 student class size data for Stanford to compare with Harvey Mudd</p>
<p>or how you falsely claim that Stanford is much greener than Princeton, which averages over 32 inches of rain per year more than Stanford.</p>
<p>then how you claim that the Princeton Eating Clubs are elitist but refuse to compare them to the Yale Secret Socieities, the Harvard Final Clubs and the Stanford and Penn Frats, which you claim are not elitist.</p>
<p>you are comparing the Morningside Heights/Harlem area, complete with its dangerous environment to the beautiful and safe Princeton area full of big estates and beautiful lawns in a favorable way - and attempt to underscore this by stating that it has “easy access” to downtown, implying that to enjoy Columbia you have to get away from its immediate area?</p>
<p>PrincetonDreams, Columbia will continue to be compared mostly with Dartmouth, Penn, Brown and Cornell as its lack of transparency in presenting data to potential students, such as omitting 25% of its undergraduate student body in its admissions stats, will catch up with it. Top applicants will think twice about going to a school where 25% of its undergraduates that they will be sharing most of their classes with are night school 30 somethings with 3.0 GPA’s and 550 SAT’s. The perceived safety of the Morningside Heights/Harlem area will be negated as many of Columbia students will have terrible experiences with non-students from the area…</p>
<p>It’s true that princeton does have a beautiful campus and lawns. But that doesn’t make it an overall interesting area to be in. Ever driven by those miles of strip malls on route 1 into princeton. Lovely isn’t it? And if it was such a great place, why fabricate false travel times to/from to nyc of 45 minutes as you did. Fact is that it’s a pretty little town with absolutely nothing to compare to New York. </p>
<p>Saying that Columbia has easy access to downtown doesn’t imply that you have to get away from the area because it’s dangerous or unpleasant or anything of the sort. It’s a nice, quiet area of Manhattan and if you want lots of nightlife you just hop on the subway and be in Times Square in 15 minutes. Unlike taking a 3 hour round trip trek from Princeton to New York.</p>
<p>And it doesn’t matter how many times you say Columbia is in Harlem (it’s not) and that it’s dangerous (it’s not). Have you ever even been in NYC? You seem to know very little about what you’re talking about.</p>
<p>japanoko, the statements about how easy it was to get from Columbia to, say, the Broadway Theater District were prompted by your crowing about how easy it was to get there from Princeton! It IS easy to get there from Princeton, but much much much easier to get there from Columbia.</p>
<p>And, yes, Princeton is a lovely, wealthy suburb – a lot like the lovely, wealthy neighborhood in which I live. As a result, I had trouble getting my kids out of the car there. They knew exactly what the community was like . . . and knew that they preferred someplace with a lot more energy when they went to college. (I disagreed with them, by the way. Princeton has lots of energy. But not big-city energy, that’s for sure.) </p>
<p>Princeton NJ : Upper West Side :: Wonder Bread : multigrain sourdough boule.</p>
<p>The area around Columbia is quite nice. No sensible person would feel in danger there, unless you get jumpy when you see people of all different colors. There are really bad areas that aren’t that far away, and you have to use good sense to avoid property crime, but it’s silly to avoid Columbia because of fears for safety.</p>
<p>I swear it seems every Columbia student I know/on this forum use NYC as the reason Columbia owns. Its always, Its in NYC, thus Columbia trumps all in internships (But its Penn who is the number 1 university in students graduating with internship experience with a percentage of 90%, while Columbia is not EVEN in the top ten), second student life at Columbia IS DOMINATED by going out to NYC, students take twenty minute to get downtime Manhattan for the real big club scene, which means students are not only away from the school for extended periods, but students wont even be in the vicinity of the college as they enjoy their day, leading to the dead feeling that students sometimes feel at Columbia, not forgetting the lack of frat, sports scene or general non-NYC related activities Columbia students have a lack of school pride (This is not subjective this is fact, hoe much of the school pride is missing and how important it is to students is subjective) that disintegrate the social life to either taking trips to New York with your dorm mates or sitting on the only green area (or at lest the biggest and most used) that has Columbia students cling to having a campus (compared to NYU). And this air of superiority that Columbia students have been breathing since the new U.S news ranked them 4th really needs to be toned down. I always felt that Columbias previous position didnt do it justice and that it should be ranked closer with Penn and behind Stanford. And this 4th place ranking came by a meager point (out of 100) in the U.S news methodology data (the overall scores) to give Columbia its slight rank above Stanford and Penn, while that score was 5 points below Yale, thus showing Columbias placing is far from those top three (I should also note that Columbia overall score of 93 is only a slight increase from last year and shows that the slight difference in methodology or small inconsistencies in the universities may have lead to Columbias current ranking and not huge strides in the colleges improvements). Columbia also needs to establish itself as a 4-6 ranking school before it should generally be taken that Columbia is worthy of its rank (like when Caltech was ranked first for a year).</p>
<p>you are comparing a **one way **time from Columbia to Times Square with a **Round trip **time from Princeton to Times square - that seems like the reasonable way to compare times do’t you think?</p>
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<p>How many times is a busy student, with a boatload of studying from school, going to go to Times Square area to see a play?..once, twice a month at the most. Is it worth living in the hell-hole known as Morningside Heights/Harlem in order to save about two hours roundtrip once a month?</p>
My brain just exploded. Have you ever been up to Columbia? And you’re trying to compare a subway ride from Columbia to a train ride from Princeton? And you say Morningside Heights is a hell-hole? The kindest thing I can say is that maybe you need to see a good ophthalmologist.</p>
<p>japanoko! You’re being silly. I was being generous to you in my estimates. There are even more factors I didn’t even bother to mention but could have. For example, what takes longer, the trip from Columbia to the 116th subway station (2 minutes) or from the Princeton spread out campus to the Princeton train station? And when the Princetonian gets to Penn Station the poor Princetonian then has to get on the subway to get where they want to go. Let’s count that too! The Columbia person has already done that. Also as I mentioned you don’t want to miss your once-per-hour train to/from Princeton. Better aim to get to the train station 10 minutes early. These <em>easily</em> make up for the implicit 15 minute return trip you’re complaining about! And even if they didn’t we’re still talking about 30 minutes versus 3+ hours!!</p>
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<p>I thought we had established that Columbia is in Morningside Heights but not in Harlem. Your persistence in this no-win point makes one wonder about your sincerity!</p>
<p>herenow, ok, here we go, now you are comparing round trip times instead of a one way compared to a round trip like you were doing before. This is better and the way it should be.</p>
<p>so we have agreed that it is 30 minutes roundtrip to about 3 hours roundtrip…</p>
<p>and what’s up with this train stuff?</p>
<p>what is wrong with the bus from Princeton?</p>
<p>and since you are talking about Times Square, the Princeton student would take the Bus from Nassau street, which would take him straight to Port Authority and hence Times Square. How long a walk from the Holder Hall dorms to the bus stop?..about 1 minute at the most.</p>
<p>so again, we are talking about 30 minutes from Columbia roundtrip and 3 hours from Princeton roundtrip to the Times Square area… </p>
<p>now, again, how many times in one month is a Columbia or Princeton student going to travel to midtown considering their busy studying schedules?</p>
<p>and is this worth living in the dangerous area where Columbia is located?</p>
<p>Oh come on japanoko, it’s 3+ hours, not “about” 3 hours. Let’s not try to get tricky here. Let’s agree on 3 1/2 hours to/from princeton versus compared to 30 minutes to/from Columbia. </p>
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<p>Bus is slower and less reliable than trains – Gets stuck in traffic, especially at busy times like when you might want to go in to catch some nightlife. You really need to think of these things! </p>
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<p>Well now at least you’re asking a reasonable question. Unfortunately you won’t like the answer. The answer of course is that the Columbia student can feasibly do it as often as they want, depending on their priorities and schedule. There are Columbia students cross-enrolled at Julliard for example. The answer for the Princetonian is “very infrequently”. </p>
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<p>Still trying to claim that Columbia is in a dangerous neighborhood? You really should give up on that. I will give you credit, though, for dropping the claim that it’s in Harlem. There is hope for you!</p>