the northeast...

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In regards to the girl/guy deficiency in regards to suicide - I find this just odd. 55% vs 45% is a big deal? That seems a bit ridiculous. Doesn't caltech have like 70/30 split and harvey mudd a 60/40? I've never heard of suicide issues at those schools

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I was simply bringing it up because some people claim that MIT's prevalence of males and the fact that teenage males are more likely to kill themselves than teenage females cause MIT's suicide rate to be so high.

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First, MIT's suicide rate is not "so high". It's an urban legend. Since MIT is a small place, you'd need to wait at least thirty years to amass a large enough population of MIT students to see if the suicide rate was different from the average college student suicide rate in a statistically significant fashion.</p>

<p>Second, when MIT had a problem with suicides (from about 1993-2000), it was not a 55-45 institution -- it was about 75% male. There has not been an undergraduate student suicide since I came to school in 2002. Since engineering and business students commit suicide at higher rates than other college students, and since 18- to 22-year-old males commit suicide at higher rates than females, you would expect MIT's suicide rate in the 90s to be higher than other schools. It is not, however, statistically significantly higher than the national rate.</p>

<p>On the weather topic, I also like the change of seasons. I like snow in the winter (blizzards especially!), the crisp air and leaf smell in the fall, the way the ground smells in the spring, and the absurdly hot summer days in the city. I think that living through the winter makes me appreciate the spring and summer to an even greater degree.</p>

<p>I still think there are far more important factors in a college decision than the weather. I also think that anyone who picks a college based on the weather is superficial and silly.</p>

<p>"Doesn't caltech have like 70/30 split and harvey mudd a 60/40? I've never heard of suicide issues at those schools"</p>

<p>actually, hmc's gender ratio is more like 68% male : 32% female.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.hmc.edu/about/fastfacts1.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hmc.edu/about/fastfacts1.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>i'm sure that doesn't help mudd's case though...</p>

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First, MIT's suicide rate is not "so high". It's an urban legend. Since MIT is a small place, you'd need to wait at least thirty years to amass a large enough population of MIT students to see if the suicide rate was different from the average college student suicide rate in a statistically significant fashion.

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<p>And they have. There have been nearly 50 suicides at MIT in the past 35 or so years. (<a href="http://www.colleges.com/Umagazine/articles.taf?category=health&article=HN_000301suicide%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.colleges.com/Umagazine/articles.taf?category=health&article=HN_000301suicide&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p>

<p>The high suicide rate per capita at MIT (compared to other academically comparable colleges, not the national average) is very real and far from just an urban legend. And just one more suicide can have an evident and dramatic effect on a student body.</p>

<p>From the article:
"After [the suicide] happened it was something that stuck in my mind. I walked over there after everything was cleaned up just to take a look," he shudders. "When I got back to my room I realized a piece of glass had stuck in my shoe so the incident stuck in my mind like that piece of glass."</p>

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Since engineering and business students commit suicide at higher rates than other college students, and since 18- to 22-year-old males commit suicide at higher rates than females, you would expect MIT's suicide rate in the 90s to be higher than other schools.

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<p>Um...it is, to academically comparable schools. No one is talking about the national average here.</p>

<p>And I'm not quite sure what led you to the conclusion that engineering and business students commit suicide at higher rates. Even if it was true, majoring in engineering at an institution devoted to technology is very different from majoring in engineering at an institution that isn't. At the technological institution, the students are (looking at the student body as a whole) more comfortable with and more eager to pursue engineering. At a school which doesn't solely focus on technology, a student accepted to the school may eventually decide to major in engineering without realizing the supposed stress that comes with that field. This should serve to compensate for any alleged discrepancy.</p>

<p>And, regardless of whomever may make up the MIT student body, the fact remains the same: people at MIT have experienced more suicides per capita than many of its peer institutions.</p>

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On the weather topic, I also like the change of seasons. I like snow in the winter (blizzards especially!), the crisp air and leaf smell in the fall, the way the ground smells in the spring, and the absurdly hot summer days in the city. I think that living through the winter makes me appreciate the spring and summer to an even greater degree.

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<p>You like...blizzards? You like..."absurdly hot" summer days which are, by definition, absurd?</p>

<p>Sounds to me like you're deluding yourself about the abject weather you've had to put yourself through. Though if you're not, and you actually love cold, obnoxious weather, then by all means, I implore you to visit the scenic Antarctica. Coldest place on earth, but by god does it attract the tourists. Everyone loves severe cold!</p>

<p>And California, as I've said before, has 4 seasons of weather. Just without the annoying extremes.</p>

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I still think there are far more important factors in a college decision than the weather. I also think that anyone who picks a college based on the weather is superficial and silly.

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<p>No one's saying choose a college exclusively based on weather. But to claim that weather isn't an important factor is naive and, frankly, quite sad. There are palpable benefits to good weather. You interact with friends, you get fresh air, you get exposure to more things, you feel more adventurous, you can get EXERCISE (gasp).</p>

<p>Some really serious medical conditions are directly related to a lack of light, like Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD), where sufferers experience symptoms of depression in the fall or winter. There has also been much scientific study on the effect of weather on human mood. A UMichigan study (<a href="http://www.umich.edu/%7Eurecord/0405/Oct25_04/31.shtml)%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0405/Oct25_04/31.shtml)&lt;/a>, for instance, says "Get out?for at least 30 minutes. The positive impact warm, sunny weather can have on mental health and mood is real." You can do some additional Googling to find other articles concerning the relationship between mood and weather.</p>

<p>It just makes for a very different and much healthier experience. Live in California for a week or two and you'll see what I mean.</p>

<p>Being concerned about weather is far from superficial or silly. Pretending weather can be replaced by a heated hole in a building is, on the other hand, silly and a concept quite laughable to those who routinely benefit from the perks of good weather. You may be okay with rotting indoors most of your academic year, but don't assume others are as well.</p>

<p>Hrteeexz, am I to assume that you will not be attending MIT in the Fall then?
All of your posts on CollegeConfidential so far have been pro-Stanford.</p>

<p>RiverPhoenix, excellent sleuthing, sir. No, I will not be attending MIT. I didn't apply.</p>

<p>And the fact that most of my posts are pro-Stanford are probably due to the fact that I got accepted to Stanford SCEA. That MIGHT have something to do with it.</p>

<p>actually, i'm really concerned about the weather. being from arizona and all, i have a hard time with temperatures in the 50s-60s. is this something one can get used to soon, because i seriously can't go outside wehn it gets colder than like 50 degrees.</p>

<p>I dug up the statistics about MIT suicides (including the higher rates for engineering and business students) in a similar MIT-bashing thread last year. The fact is that MIT's suicide rate is not statistically above average compared to the national rate. (I'm not sure that the numbers have been crunched for the rate vs. peer institutions, and if they have, I do not have those sources.) The error bars are large enough that it is possible that MIT's rate is below the national average. We'll be able to tell in about 2020.</p>

<p>I realize that on the face of the numbers, MIT appears to have a higher suicide rate than other schools. But you can't take those numbers at face value -- you have to consider this information in a statistical manner. Trends don't mean anything unless they're statistically significant.</p>

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And, regardless of whomever may make up the MIT student body, the fact remains the same: people at MIT have experienced more suicides per capita than many of its peer institutions.

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No undergraduate at MIT currently has experienced a student suicide.</p>

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You like...blizzards? You like..."absurdly hot" summer days which are, by definition, absurd?

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That's what I said, isn't it?</p>

<p>Hey, I got into grad schools in California. Five of them, actually. I could have gone to Stanford and apparently lived an idyllic life free of care until I get my PhD. I chose to stay in the Boston area. Weather wasn't a factor for me -- the PhD program that made me the happiest was.</p>

<p>Will you be my friend "Hrteeexz"? People generally consider me to be an intolerable b**ch. You and I will get along.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hrteeexz&word2=MIT%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hrteeexz&word2=MIT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>owned with a capital P</p>

<p>68/32 for Mudd? Wow. Not far off from what I though, but both stats are surprising, nonetheless</p>

<p>Coming from San Diego where the weather 70 +/- 5 all year long, I'd actually say that MIT isn't that bad. Just put on a coat, or two if you need. I haven't seen any unhappy people here, except for ones who start psets the morning they're due. I'll just put in my own advice about college selection: The only way to find out if a college is right for you is to visit (period).</p>

<p>I have to say, I'm from San Francisco and I think that cold is 40 or 50 degrees. When it hits the 30s, it horrible. Also, it rarely hits 100 degrees. I'm really temp. sensitive and don't do well in either the cold or the hot.
However, that being said, I visited MIT both in the summer and in February, and I was fine both times. Stop freaking out about the weather and pull on a coat.
Worry more about if you like the people there.</p>

<p>i hate the cold</p>

<p>I'm from wisconsin so I don't think I'll have too much trouble with New England weather. Spaztic temperature changes will be a nice reminder of home.</p>

<p>I'm looking forward to four seasons - Texas has two: Hot As Hell and Omg My Thermometer Is Bipolar. I am going to freeze to death, though, hehe.</p>

<p>I'm from California, around the same area as Hrteeexz (Stanford is about a 30-min drive away). Hrteeexz's description focused a lot on the sun, making it sound like it's sun all the time. In reality you get a lot of cloudy days during the winter. And about the sun in Cambridge, you'll get enough of it here. It's just that sun is very deceiving here. It can be sunny, but the temperature can be ~18. In fact, as of now... it's really sunny right now and it's 22. It's not all that bad though, especially if you have a coat. Coats you buy in California will not do! But uh... I like 30ish weather. It's my kind of weather, and I can tolerate up to low 90s. After that, I start to die...</p>

<p>And I had worn sandals (sort of a California thing) almost everyday since school started in September until January. Sometimes I still do now (but with socks).</p>

<p>But what I would recommend is... if you have lived in California for all your life (I did, which was why I didn't apply to Stanford), then go to MIT. It's nice to get a new experience. Just not the weather either. You get society in a different context. A new environment will be conducive to your growth. And if you have lived in Massachusetts all your life, then go to Stanford.</p>

<p>It's still best to visit both schools though. Chances are you'll like 'em both.</p>

<p>Speaking for just MIT, I think most of you will be surprised at how chill and cool everyone is.</p>

<p>Someone mentioned the Charles... I got thrown in. It was a nice experience.</p>

<p>And the person who barbecued on the Charles and skated on it... That's damn awesome!!! I always wanted to skate on the Charles and tried to get people to do it with me, and they responded with a you-can-do-it-by-yourself answer. I need to find people who are more daring. ; )</p>

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A new environment will be conducive to your growth.

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<p>A new environment is made worthy by the people that surround you. It is not just defined by where you live. You will definitely encounter a whole new environment at Stanford, because it brings people from all around the world. I knew I would meet totally new people, so when I visited colleges all around the country and Stanford became my favorite, I didn't let its close proximity be a con.</p>

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And I had worn sandals (sort of a California thing) almost everyday since school started in September until January. Sometimes I still do now (but with socks).

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<p>Could it be because you never set foot outside? ;-)</p>

<p>No, that's not true... I have to walk quite a bit to walk to go to class everyday... And I walk around often too, just not to class. Sometimes, I even go out into Boston with sandals on.</p>

<p>You fail to realize that society is different in different places, and that is certainly defined by the location. A specific place has a unique identity. Where a person spent most of his/her life living is an integral part of that person's identity. Two individuals from the same place are different, but they also share a lot together. 41.3% of Stanford's student body is from California... I've been in California for too long... the environment at Stanford is hardly new to me. I've seen the same skies too often...</p>

<p>I do love California though, especially when I come back to visit.</p>

<p>I can imagine spring break would be quite nice if you lived in California :)</p>

<p>A change of scenery does everyone a lot of good. But like Hertrees said, if you're really in love with a school, you shouldn't let geography get in the way. But if weighing pro's and con's, I disagree with Hercheesy. If you can let a thing like 'more sun' (which I don't even think is true for california) go into a pro's list, you can let 'same old same old' go into a con's list. If we're going to talk shallow and trivial college differences like how the weather is 3 months of the year, we can talk about culture and experience weighing into the equation too.</p>