<p>2012 Oxford College Admission Statistics:</p>
<p>Median HS GPA: 3.71/4.0</p>
<p>Median Critical Reading: 650
Median Math: 685
Median Writing: 665</p>
<p>Average SAT overall: 2000/2400; 1335/1600.</p>
<p>Median ACT: 29.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.oxford.emory.edu/admission/admission-statistics/index.dot[/url]”>http://www.oxford.emory.edu/admission/admission-statistics/index.dot</a></p>
<p>College of Arts and Sciences 2012 first-year class profile (middle 50%):</p>
<p>Median HS GPA: 3.865/4.0</p>
<p>Median SAT verbal: 690
Median SAT math: 705
Median SAT writing: 700
Median SAT total: ~2105/2400; ~1395/1600</p>
<p>Median ACT range: 30-33</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.emory.edu/admission/admission/class_profile/index.html[/url]”>http://www.emory.edu/admission/admission/class_profile/index.html</a></p>
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<p>I don’t see how Oxford is anywhere near “remedial in nature” or whatever people mean by “preparation for Atlanta campus.” Perhaps Loridians with his “considerable research” about Oxford can enlighten us…</p>
<p>Yeah, so if you subtract about 30-40 points from the SAT’s, you probably get a ballpark estimate of the enrollees (or maybe even low end), so the average is about 1300, which is very high and puts them at like the top 10% of test takers and way higher than many/most flagship state schools including UGA, which is Ga’s second most selective school. The middle and high end of the students are more like those at Tech and main. The only thing making it much different from Tech and Emory main is that its range is much wider for the interquartile. Oxford has like a 300 range for the “Composite” SAT and Tech and Emory only have like a 200 point range.</p>
<p>I think Loridian is kind of like some of the more crazy republicans during the election season who made up their own math and polls in order to put numbers behind their state of denial. This person is attempting to view the numbers in their own special way to justify their elitism. I wouldn’t entertain it too much.</p>
<p>There is no argument that justifies Oxford, or attending Ox J.C., except as a back door to Emory. At this time, the students directed to Oxy consists of a small group of girls & boys who can’t get into Emory, but are at the cut just below the Frosh entering Emory’s four year “real” college. In order to perpetuate what is at best an anachronism, the University “accepts” the fact that if these cut-below students can make it through two years at Oxy, they are good enough to enter Emory as juniors. </p>
<p>The demographics @ Oxy are about the same as Emory, which represents a significant and positive change from Oxy history. Right now, in 2012-2013, the Ox is a small JC associated with Emory, where a small group of students are allowed admission into a program (better to drop the “remedial”) that allows the privilege of entering Emory as juniors & gaining an Emory Degree. It’s best looked on as a hand-picked group of students not able to get admitted to Emory, but are given a “special” opportunity.</p>
<p>That’s the present status of Oxford. No one chooses to go there rather than Emory anymore than someone chooses to go to Osteopathic School in lieu of Medical School (presuming accredited, American versions of both). The University struggles with Oxford. “What is Oxford?” “Who should be admitted to Oxford” “Why can’t we have a 3.0 gpa admission standard from Oxy to Emory?” “Why do we continue to operate an Emory J.??”, etc., etc. And hovering above everything is the College’s precarious “National” ranking. </p>
<p>There is no getting around the fact the large number of Oxy’s coming into Emory as juniors waters down the quality of the College, and an Emory degree. If one looks above (Vandy now standing as the clear #2 private University in the South; being passed by Notre Dame!) and below (Wake Forest, William & Mary close behind) Emory in rankings, only a fool would fail to recognise that Oxford will always represent an impediment for Emory. The only possible way to regain parity (or better) with Vandy, or even think about moving into the Top 15 of National Universities is to get rid of the Oxford back door. There are also other matters to address, such as improving Graduate Studies (besides Law & Medicine), but getting rid of Oxford is a no-brainer.</p>
<p>I don’t even know why I’m bothering to respond to this ■■■■■.
So my reason for wanting to go to both a liberal arts college and a research university all in one undergrad career isn’t valid? Thanks for letting me know. Oh and quit with the junior college moniker. Is Deep Springs College a junior college? No? Well then neither is Oxford. </p>
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So the 24% of our class that applied to Oxford early decision doesn’t count? I’m fairly sure my roommates, both of whom had siblings who either go to or went to Oxford wanted to come here more than the main campus. If it weren’t for Oxford, I never would have been interested in Emory. If Emory were to put a bit of money into Oxford and heavily market it to those interested in liberal arts colleges, it’s very probably that Oxford’s acceptance rate could fall below that of Emory’s. But instead, Emory tries to sell the concept of a liberal arts college in rural Georgia to a group of students that often decided to consider Emory because it was a midsized university in a major city, precisely the demographic that wouldn’t be interested in attending a school like Oxford. </p>
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The best qualified students who apply. I’m fairly sure Admissions understands this.</p>
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Because that’s ridiculous and would lead to grade inflation like at a certain larger campus in suburban Atlanta. </p>
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<p>If you want to find out the historical reasons for this, I’d highly recommend Dean Moon’s book An Uncommon Place: Oxford College of Emory University, 1914-2000. As of now, Oxford is the most unique part of Emory. How many other institutions can boast they have what Oxford has? Look at all of the students who post on College Confidential about their concern that a liberal arts college will be too small after a few years. They’re concerned that a LAC might not have their prospective major, or that it might not offer the breadth of classes that a research university has. These are common complaints among students looking at LACs, all of which Oxford basically solves. Again, if the university put a little more money into Oxford (which it’s starting to do with the renovation of many of the facilities), and marketed it to a demographic interested in LACs, Oxford could become one of the most popular programs at Emory.</p>
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Do you have any testimonial from professors that current Oxford continuees (no the ones you met in the '80s don’t count) force professors to water down their level of teaching? Oxford, in its current incarnation as a two year LAC, has existed for years. I seriously doubt it hurts the “value” of an Emory degree. Do you have any data to back up your assertion, any anecdotes about how an Oxford continuee made for such a bad employee that the boss refused to hire any other Emory students?</p>
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Notre Dame has always been prestigious among Catholics and is a great school. As has been pointed out over and over again, Oxford only helps Emory in the all-mighty rankings. It helps lower the admittance rate, and its students’ stats are not computed into the USNWR rankings. Do you have any proof as to how Oxford hurts Emory? Much of the peer reputation score is derived from the research an institution conducts, so clearly Oxford, which does not conduct any substantial research, has no effect on this aspect.</p>
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<p>Yes, clearly Oxford is the problem and not administrative incompetence, or poor marketing on Emory University’s part. Why are you so obsessed with the US News rankings anyways? It doesn’t measure how well a school educates, or how well a school promotes leadership among its students. It only claims that UCLA is exactly five college below Emory, which if you can’t see what an absurd statement that is, then you need to think long and hard about who exactly devalues an Emory degree.</p>
<p>I’m really confused as to why this person brought up Vanderbilt or ND. Who cares? If one went there, unless they loved frat parties, were a sports enthusiast, or interested in a program not offered at Emory, I doubt they would feel some huge increase in quality. They probably would feel no such increase. It would be like being at Emory w/less diverse peers and perhaps less famous faculty. The schools are really nothing alike and should not be compared directly (the ranking mainly says that it receives more apps. and is more statistically selective. Even w/this said, many extremely qualified students fit better at Emory than at other near ranked schools). Honestly though, even through all the proposed cuts to mainly “liberal arts” pursuits, many of Emory’s more liberal arts oriented depts. blow theirs away in quality. Vanderbilt and Notre Dame are two of the places in the top 20 perhaps more pre-prof. oriented than Emory and it’s honestly because of the way their academic programs are structured. They are built in a way that encourages pre-professionalism. Emory isn’t intrinsically built that way, it just happens to attract them. Emory doesn’t have an engineering school (V/ND), “pre-professional studies majors” (ND), and the HUGE peabody school which is full of concentrations more attractive to pre-profs such as communications (V). They just simply are not comparable to Emory. if it was not for the b-school (and maybe nursing), Emory’s structure (I didn’t say quality) would be reminiscent of Chicago, Princeton, and Dartmouth (more like Chicago b/c we don’t have engineering though). </p>
<p>If people aren’t happy w/Emory’s current position, at least aim for schools that are more similar in structure. And then this ■■■■■ brings up Emory’s position in the south. Again, who cares? We are aiming for excellence on a global scale and unless being in the south is an inhibitor of such a goal, the issue really isn’t worth discussing. Didn’t seem to stop Emory from attracting the Dalai Lama and buddhist monks to start a program allowing for Tibetans to study science, nor did it prevent Emory from basically being the top school for drug discovery and providing an effective HIV treatment for the whole world. BTW, Oxford does not seem to hurt these processes either. It probably helps as students from Oxford or more likely to join the influential research teams when at main for personal interest and enjoyment. When you consistently rank among all the elite private and public schools, it’s time to stop asking “what among them is the best university in the south.” It’s unimportant at this point. Most of the students who go to them clearly don’t care as they are not from the south. They are looking for “the best school that I can get into”. And as for the rankings. I am more concerned that incoming students know which depts. that Emory does extremely well in vs. those that it does not. Rankings don’t measure this and this issue is way more important to the quality of each student’s education than the ranking itself.</p>
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<p>You are particularly distinguished in your ability to make claims without empirical data. In fact, there are a nontrivial number of students admitted to the College of Arts and Sciences who choose to attend Oxford.</p>
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<p>This is merely your pet project. We hear it every three months when you return to make the same tired arguments. </p>
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<p>How many times have discussed this? One incentive for Emory to increase the enrollment at Oxford (which it has been doing quite rapidly over the last few years) is that Oxford’s data is not included in the US News Rankings. Because Oxford students continue to the College of Arts and Sciences, that division must admit far fewer students. </p>
<p>If we got rid of Oxford, the College of Arts and Sciences would need approximately 450 more freshmen. At the going yield rate, we would need to admit a minimum of 1730 additional students. That would raise the admissions rate at the College of Arts and Sciences to at least 36% (more or less Oxford’s admissions rate is), hurting our rank. Admitting those additional students would mean that the average GPA and test scores would fall, hurting our rank.</p>
<p>If our rank dropped, it would mean we would have an even lower yield rate, our average test scores would drop, and the College of Arts and Sciences would likely become less selective than Oxford currently is (the present difference between the two is much smaller than it’s made out to be when you compare the enrolled students data rather than the admitted students data).</p>
<p>If we decided to take no additional students and get rid of Oxford, the cost of attendance would skyrocket far past our peers–the majority of the cost of attendance doesn’t go to student’s individual education, but to fixed costs.</p>
<p>It would seem that for those so concerned about rank, getting rid of Oxford can only be conceived of as a “non-brainer” insomuch as the proposer lacks precisely that apparatus for rational thought.</p>
<p>Ok so new rule about the Oxford Thread. Only post here if you have a legitimate question or concern about the school. If you want to get rid of it, here’s President Wagner’s email <a href=“mailto:wagner@emory.edu”>wagner@emory.edu</a></p>
<p>I saw a thread about a college representative from Oxford College being announced, have they posted here? I would love to get their view. (An admissions officers viewpoint other than what’s written on the website). </p>
<p>As a whole, the demographics chart is broken down on the website, but from a current students perspective, would you say that Oxford is as diversified as claimed to be? When I visited I saw a large variety of people, but I also loved the fact that social groups weren’t based on that. Alot of the colleges I visited that turned out to be the case.</p>
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<p>The college representative from Oxford has not made one post, though I’ve heard that students who work in the admissions office follow the conversations that happen here.</p>
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<p>Those percentages are correct. Oxford is one of the most racially diverse liberal arts colleges in the country, and IMO the students get along well with one another. With the exception of many of the internationals, most students get along quite well with one another regardless or racial or economic background.</p>
<p>I find the criticisms of my pointing out the manner in which Oxford JC does, and always will, act as the Emory Anchor sophomoric, laughable & the product of young minds w/o any exposure to the “real” world. If someone dislikes my noting the absurdity of Emory having its own little JC, I’m either a “■■■■■”, not using quantifiable or at least empirical evidence or, as a last resort, given the “rankings don’t matter” BS. </p>
<p>I think there is much that can be seen by present (or recent) students at Emory that is of value. Certainly, I had to “go back to the numbers” on OJC, which resulted in a partial reassessment on my part of the JC. It is far more diverse than I had thought, and the admission standards have gone up. The student body is still made up of Emory rejects taking a back-door to an Emory degree, but Oxy’s are now a far higher standard of rejects. The JC (and, by the way, what else do you call a 2 yr. college?) should be applauded for its efforts. However, a better grade of student body in no way justifies its useless & anachronistic relationship with Emory. </p>
<p>It would be easy to cite personal anecdotal experience regarding the fundamental unfairness of students unable to gain entry to Emory nonetheless managing to scam a degree via Ox. I have 30 yrs experience past College, including a professional degree from EU, a graduate degree from Vandy, and ten (10) yrs of re-paying student loans. I have lived throughout the South, and travelled widely as part of business. I have a better understanding of the “value” of degrees than someone at Ox, Emory, or a few years out of Emory. </p>
<p>Further, my motivation(s) regarding an anti-OJC stance derive from being pro-Emory. I watched Emory’s national reputation grow for many years, and was proud of that. I knew from being at Vandy, as well as experiences at colleges as prestigious as Dartmouth and Michigan, that Emory undergrad was more rigorous and just plain better than most other colleges. I learned a lot at EU, generally had great professors, and after many years of coming into contact with other educated folks realized how privileged I had been to attend Emory. To graduate Magna Cum Laude & Phi Beta Kappa was nice when I was 22, it was only after years of working and then having kids of my own that I truly appreciated the “value” of those things. It is that realization which actuates my continuing criticism of what plainly is a back door to Emory.</p>
<p>If people like y’all can’t grasp the problem with Oxford, you will. That is, unless you went to Oxy. If you can’t understand the problem in Notre Dame passing Emory, or Vandy clearly becoming the #2 private university in the South, you will. If things continue on the present course, in 20 yrs you will see Wake Forest and William & Mary pass Emory. If you don’t think it can happen, just keep the Tulane “model” in mind. Thirty years ago Tulane was at or near Emory’s equal in ranking & prestige. Now it’s not even a Top 50 school. And it’s decline was ongoing way before Katrina hit New Orleans. I have known Tulane people, one or two quite well, and saw up close how the declining “value” of their degrees effected them. And I mean personally and professionally. </p>
<p>Emory needs to stop its potential decline it rankings, now. The law school, business school & medical school continue to move up, and there’s no reason the college cannot do likewise. Saying rankings don’t matter is BS. Saying if it were not for Ox Emory would have a lower quality of Freshmen class is BS (actually, it’s so stupid it’s rather sad). When I was at Emory we truly believed the school would, in a decade or so, match up with Washington U. and Northwestern. Emory needs to get back to that belief, and part of that is recognizing the appendage known as “Emory at Oxford” either needs to go, or to be re-shaped into an educational entity that inures to Emory’s credit, and its prestige. There are things that can be done, but historically the Oxy crowd (alum) have blocked efforts to bring Oxy even into the 1980’s. </p>
<p>Right now, I am watching kids, & their parents w/choices in “Top 20 schools” (and I include Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, etc.), and I have been surprised & disturbed concerning what I continue to hear about Emory. In fact, I am embarrassed. Do something or be prepared to take the hit. And “something” includes addressing the chuckling I hear when certain schools competitive w/Emory start talking about Emory having a JC.</p>
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<p>I apologize if you find that reality seems biased against the end that you seek to further. In fact, the current plan appears to be to continue to increase Oxford’s size. As a result, the College of Arts and Sciences will accept fewer freshmen; the admit rate will decrease; and the SAT/GPA of the incoming class at the College of Arts and Sciences will increase as a result. Thus, Emory’s rank will increase (because Oxford’s data is excluded from the sources that Emory is ranked by).</p>
<p>I will note, however, that providing all undergraduate education at Oxford was the original hope when the Atlanta campus was established.</p>
<p>Loridans, I am not in college yet, but take my view on the issue now. </p>
<p>When you were applying to colleges, you obviously chose Vanderbilt and Emory due to both their proximity, and ranking. But you clearly saw more in Emory to have attended. Every prospective student, both ‘smart’ and ‘average’ (which can not truly be measured by grades) wish to attend Emory and earn the education you exclaim. By increasing the standard you’re advocating that these students not be given a chance.</p>
<p>Emory will provide every student a chance to grow, to succeed. You’re measuring Emory’s success in terms of numbers, measure it with the successful graduates. No matter what happens down the line, Emory, ivy-league schools, etc. will retain their name. Why? Rankings are compilations of meaningless data, data that should be measured with success rather than high school grades.</p>
<p>Bumpting this thread because it might prove useful for people considering Oxford. Ignore Loridians.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I got rejected by Emory and waitlisted at Oxford. I thought I had stats for Oxford and really wanted to attend but apparently not. I still would like to attend and does anyone know what I can do at this point to get accepted off the waitlist? Does this happen ever for Oxford College? Thanks</p>
<p>Hi Whenhen! i got accepted into oxford and just want to ask you about the social scene at oxford. since theres no greek life there, is it really quiet there? How friendly are the people there?has anyone struggled in transitioning to the atlanta campus?is it easy to travel from oxford to the atlanta campus. since oxford students take there classes at oxford, are there any chances of making some friends at the atlanta campus?</p>
<p>Wow, Loridans…I was so excited to be accepted to Oxford and it was not the promise of Emory College, it was the fact that I could satisfy my curiosity of receiving a Liberal Arts Education and receive the large, research university experience as well. I look forward to getting my own personal advisor, experiencing a small, close-knit community, and taking up leadership positions on campus my Sophomore year. I loved the diversity of Oxford and how intertwined the faculty and student body were. You have this overwhelming sense of entitlement and elitism, over what? Regardless of where you go for your undergrad, chemistry is chemistry…calculus is calculus, the real difference is what you make of it. It’s the students that make a school special and keep is special, not it’s background. If rank is the only thing you consider when looking at a school, you are a moron. My friend graduated last year and got into BU and UPenn and chose BU just because she saw it as a better fit and where she’d be happiest, that doesn’t make her any less of a person than someone who chose to go to UPenn or any other school. There’s much more to a person than just some number and if you’re going to have your whole identity shaped by how focused you were as a 14-17 year old and how you did on one test you took on an early Saturday morning you’re opinion isn’t worth much. Either way, Oxford College and Emory College are just two different routes that reach the same destination. I know a girl who is trying to choose between Emory and Oxford college right now, she sees the pros and cons of both, which goes to show that Oxford is not a “backdoor,” just an excuse for bigots like you to feel superior without having to do anything monumental. I am so excited about receiving my Oxford/Emory education and all the opportunities I will receive and earn by attending Oxford!</p>
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<p>The presence or absence of greek life does not indicate a lack of social life. That being said, you need to get involved with campus life, or you probably won’t have the best experience. This could mean joining social clubs (Oxford’s version of greek life), joining outdoor Oxford, helping with student government, student activities, etc, etc. Sometimes I have felt a bored at Oxford but if that’s the case I usually just hit up a friend with a car and go explore Georgia, or take the shuttle to the Atlanta campus. Also that boredom is usually my own fault.</p>
<p>Getting to and from the Atlanta campus is extremely easy on the weekends, less so on the week days. I will say that I’ve missed the shuttle a couple of times, but usually it’s not too problematic. The only issues I’ve heard about are if a student needs to get to Atlanta during the weekdays in the afternoon, or if a went to a party, got drunk, and then missed the 2AM shuttle (last shuttle of the night on weekends). I’ve heard of students just wandering into one of the dorms, and passing out in the study rooms, or if they’re sophomores just hitting up a continuee. </p>
<p>I’d say the people at Oxford are pretty friendly, although I don’t have a basis for comparison. The only issue comes from it being a small campus, so if you do have an issue with someone (I had an incident last semester with an emotionally disturbed student who has since dropped out), you’re forced to see them all the time. Fortunately you’re an adult and don’t have to speak to them, but it can be a tad challenging. If at all possible, do Own Oxford if you want a chance to truly connect with people from the get go. I’ve found that most of my closest friends came from it, and it helped make the transition from high school to college as easy as possible.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago, I did Alternate Spring Break (a service oriented Spring Break trip) with some students from the Atlanta campus, and got very close with some of them. So it’s certainly possible to make connections with your Atlanta campus peers, but you need to seek them out. I know some second semester sophomores joined sororities and fraternities, so there’s always that possibility. </p>
<p>I’m only a freshman so I don’t know much about the transition from Oxford to Main campus. I’ve heard it’s pretty easy, but I’ve only spoken to a couple of people about it.</p>
<p>There are some knowledgeable people on this forum about Oxford/Emory. I need some advice. My daughter is admitted to Oxford and what we note is that, on OPUS, certificate is written as “Associate of Arts”. My daughter intends to pursue Neuroscience/NBB so I would think it should be within ambit of sciences. Is it that the 2-yr work at Oxford called “Associate of Arts” for everyone regardless of whether they are pursuing Arts or Sciences?</p>