The Secret World of College Admissions ... are you ready?

<p>In the past weeks, we have had discussions about groups that campaign for a return to "normalcy" in the college admissions' process. One group - Education Conservancy- has published a book that offer many supporting opinions. Carolyn has posted an exhaustive review of the book called College Unranked. </p>

<p>I do not profess to have a definitive answer to the question, "What does it really take to get accepted at a top school". I do, however, think that it is worthwhile to find out the extent to which aggressive families are prepared to go to earn one of the precious letters of acceptance. I think that this information is important because the "competition" is not slow-moving. Inasmuch as some might despise the interferences of professional experts, we may have to recognize that they are measured on a hard to achieve success rate. As usual, I do not agree with all the conclusions offered by the founder of the "expert" company, especially on his racial analysis of SAT scores. </p>

<p>A few excerpts: </p>

<p>"Forget "The Apprentice." For real competition, check out "The Applicant" - a contest in which high-achieving Asian kids from New Jersey's moneyed suburbs jockey for the Ivy League. Consider the case of a Chinese-American girl at Holmdel High School. Her grades and test scores were top-notch, she ran cross-country and she was an accomplished pianist. Still, her prospects seemed uncertain. The problem: her all-too-familiar profile.</p>

<p>She didn't, and couldn't, stand out among her peers. She ranked in the top 20 percent in the highly competitive school where nearly a fifth of the students are Asian.</p>

<p>"We needed to get her away from the other Asian kids,'' said Robert Shaw, a private college consultant hired by the girl's family.</p>

<p>Shaw advised bold steps: The family got a place in Keyport, a blue-collar town near their home, and the girl transferred to the local high school. There she was a standout: The only Asian kid in the school, she was valedictorian for the Class of 2004.</p>

<p>Next came an extracurricular makeover, one a bit out of character for a Chinese-American girl, said Shaw. "We suggested some outrageous activities, like Miss Teen New Jersey,'' where she won a talent competition playing piano.</p>

<p>"We had to create a contrarian profile,'' Shaw said. "We put her in places where she could stand out."</p>

<p>The girl was accepted to Yale and to Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where she is now a freshman.</p>

<p>Shaw helped the family play the admissions game. The ethnic, geographic and racial profiling that goes into assembling classes at the nation's top-tier colleges and universities is the worst-kept secret in American higher education.</p>

<p>With a huge pool of outstanding applicants, admissions at the top schools long ago stopped being about the numbers.</p>

<p>Good statistics alone are not the key to the Ivy League, said Willis J. "Lee" Stetson Jr., dean of admissions at the University of Pennsylvania. "In a really competitive pool, it's the extracurricular stuff that makes the difference."
"If you give me a Hispanic kid with a 1,350 (SATs), I can get that kid into every Ivy League college, or an African-American kid with 1,380 to 1,400,'' Shaw said. "But give me an upper-middle-class Caucasian or Asian with a 1,600, and I can't guarantee anything."</p>

<p>Recently, an Asian client of Shaw's from suburban Philadelphia got "wait-listed" at Yale despite a 1,600 SAT score and a 4.1 grade point average.</p>

<p>Shaw, a partner in the Long Island-based Ivy Success, honed his pragmatism while working in the admissions office at Penn. *He recently changed his name from Hsueh to make it easier to pronounce, he said, but allows that a less Asian-sounding name may be an advantage when his young daughters reach college age. *.</p>

<p>Very interesting article. </p>

<p>I am not surprised at some of the things that people are doing to stand out. Makes sense, for instance, for Asians to apply to the top colleges that don't have lots of Asians, and it makes sense, too, for them to get involved in ECs that typically don't attract lots of Asians.</p>

<p>As the parent of high scoring African Americans (including one who was rejected by an Ivy), I personally thought this was hyperbole: "If you give me a Hispanic kid with a 1,350 (SATs), I can get that kid into every Ivy League college, or an African-American kid with 1,380 to 1,400." I won't pay thousands, though, to prove him wrong.</p>

<p>Maybe Mr. Shaw should also consider plastic surgery to remove all traces of ethnic identity.</p>

<p>Color me stupid, again. Did you click on the text on the bottom of the article? At the bottom of the NEXT text is their pricing structure.:eek:
For a grand they'll tell you why you really need their services. For 15k they'll give you their standard package. For 25k you get personalized strategies. Astounding.</p>

<p>WARNING-INSENSITIVE HYPERBOLE-DON'T READ </p>

<p>For 15k thousand dollars they better have pictures of a decisionmaker with a farm animal in a compromising position. I don't have sufficient imagination to postulate what they should do for 25k but I believe it probably would involve "blocked letters" and a loved one of an adcom.</p>

<p>For those without senses of humor, I neither support nor engage in bestiality or kidnapping. It is merely hyperbole, hopefully to make a point. I AM concerned with the plight of sexually abused farm animals, the kidnapping risks associated with high profile college admissions personnel, and spending more on consultants than I paid for my last big-inch Harley. To that end I have founded an organization for parents who are considering those modalities of admission, before they get reeled in by these charlatans. I call it "Get A Freakin' Life, Ignorant People" or "GAF-LIP" for short. Don't get hooked.</p>

<p>Quote from the cited website: "College Admisison Strategies" </p>

<p>Strategy #1: Always check your spelling.</p>

<p>Regarding Mr. Shaw's strategy, I sense a whole new migration pattern coming on in this country: the upper-middle-class-dash-to-the-slums-during-junior-year-to-get-your-child-into-the-ivies pattern.</p>

<p>Ha, Curmudge. The whole article made me sad, sad for many students, sad for this man's kids, sad for parents who can feel so desperate - I'm sure many of his clients can afford those rates without batting an eyelash, while others are paying that because they feel desperate - it is sad, and it will get worse.</p>

<p>Xiggi:</p>

<p>My take on this subject is very simple. We as a parents want our kid’s life better than that of us. Parents and kid believe that Ivy degree is a sure way to get success in life and go ahead. The Elite colleges do nothing to break that spell. Thus, the bright kids want to go to elite colleges to show that they are the real deal. Similarly more people are willing to pay for a degree from elite colleges. Thus we all are involved in this rat race, as we believe in to receive prestige and connections through an IVY degree. Thus, any parents who are involved in admission process will try to get a leg up for the kids. If this were not the case, you would not find all of us parents stuck here.</p>

<p>cangel, it's the image of somebody scraping and saving to get the 25 grand together that bothers me. I just see this picture of part-time, or second jobs, denial of vacations, or other enrichment activities. It's certainly not the IVY desire that bothers me. It's the preying on the desperate , never been that appealing as a business model to me. However lucrative.</p>

<p>Wow. I went to the link Curmudge said, and yep, right there $15,000 and $25,000 for personal consultations. Twenty-five THOUSAND. Wow. Wow.</p>

<p>I thought it was a typo, that I missed the comma, he meant $1500 and $2500. Re-read Curmudge's post to double check. You have got to be kidding.</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>In my area, I thought $2500-3000 was outrageous! This is as pathetic to me as girls getting breasts for graduation gift.</p>

<p>I guess the hopeful thing about all this is to remember that the vast majority of high school students don't go through anything like this. There are thousands of institutions in this country, only a handful being as selective and prestigious as the ones these gunners are moving heaven and earth to get into. Most students find a great fit without such draconian strategies and extreme measures.</p>

<p>Three cheers for normalcy and keeping things in perspective!</p>

<p>"It's the image of somebody scraping and saving to get the 25 grand together that bothers me. "</p>

<p>I suspect that the people coming up with that kind of money are definitely desperate, but also are definitely rich and definitely are too busy to be very involved directly with their offsprings' college planning.</p>

<p>Parents:</p>

<p>If you take an opinion poll here, more than 90% kid and the parents will choose HYP if money is not an issue. Are we kidding our self by saying that we do not care where our kids go? Then why we are all here at CC. As a human being it is imperative that we all want money, prestige and the best we can avail. </p>

<p>The sad part is I do not have that kind of money but sure I would love to be in the shoes of these parents. And believe me if I have, I will spend it too. After all when I die, I cannot take the money with me. So why not use it whatever I deemed it necessary. </p>

<p>Northsarmom:</p>

<p>You are right, when you have money and can afford to do so. I am sure most of us would love to have that kind of money and have the freedom to spend it whatever way we feel okay.</p>

<p>At that same site:</p>

<p>For an ADDITIONAL $5000, an athletic recruiting partner will send emails and make phone calls on your student-athlete's behalf, and will contact the student once a month via phone or email and keep student up=to=date with what coaches' are saying.</p>

<p>Having 3 kiddos who are recruited athletes I can't imagine giving somebody FIVE THOUSAND dollars to make the phone calls and emails the student is supposed to be making and/or receiving. Unbelievable. And that $5K is in addition to that $15 or $25K.</p>

<p>I wonder if people have actually bought these services? I wonder if there is a money-back guarantee?</p>

<p>I guess it all just blows my mind. But then again, my kiddos get their college textbooks from ebay and half.com.</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>( I believe that is the correct spelling - he does not spell it "stein") ---</p>

<p>Father of the infamous Blair, who had her Harvard acceptance rescinded due to plagiarism.</p>

<p>He had a whole list of things: first, he had her repeat courses in 9th grade that she had taken in 8th (at least Latin I) to guarantee an A when it counted toward the GPA.</p>

<p>Next, since gym is unweighted, he figured if he could get her out of gym, she'd be that much head of everyone else - hence the "fatigue" diagnosis (don't flame me - I firmly believe there is a REAL Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, but it doesn't apply to a girl too "fatigued" to go to her high school for exams, but not too fatigued to spend 8 weeks at Stanford summer school, travel to China, and carry the Olympic torch in her town).</p>

<p>This segued, naturally, into having all her exams taken AT HOME with unlimited time and with only him as a proctor!</p>

<p>Finally, fo ECs,<strong>as the charities themselves stated</strong> - they dealt with HIM on the phone and never saw or spoke to Blair, but she got the credit. In addition, she "started a foundation" for a VERY depressed inner city which won her a bunch of prizes (you merely have to describe the foundation in an application and get some kind of signature - easy when your father is a top state judge). My brother does major work for that city and knows all the "players" in social services, and they said the "foundation" was a sham.</p>

<p>You know the rest of the story - her father sued the school district when they wanted her to share valedictory honors (by then she had alread gotten into Harvard), but then it was discovered that her newspaper column had chunks of prose stolen from Bill Clinton, among others. Her father and other lawyer screamed "foul," saying she just "forgot to cite," but Harvard rescinded her acceptance.</p>

<p><a href="http://collegeconfidential.com/college_counseling/admission_guarantee.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://collegeconfidential.com/college_counseling/admission_guarantee.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It's a bargain compared to Ivysuccess.com.</p>

<p>Wow, IvySuccess' $15,000 package is just for 20 hours of consultations, not even unlimitted counseling. People in that income bracket out to comparison shop, but then again, I guess if in that income bracket, they don't think like I do. But that is the worst package "deal" I have read.</p>

<p>It's worth bearing in mind that Mr Shaw is out there flogging his business, trying to drum up suckers ready to pony up 15 or 25k for his services. Somehow brings to mind the fear-mongering runup to the invasion of Iraq, no, wait, that's probably too strong, reminds me of tooth whitening ads that suggest you'll never find love unless you use the product. Sometimes I think this admissions stuff is a case of mass hysteria, wittingly and unwittingly aided and abetted by those who should know better but stand to benefit. The ethnic (Asian) side of it in Xiggi's example is particularly touching and painful to me, because of the overtones of credulous and self-sacrificing first generation Americans with immigrant parents struggling to find success in their adopted country.</p>

<p>I know Liz gave a link to CC's Ivy Guarantee package but just to point out, CC has unlimited hours comprehensive counseling packages for seniors for $3000. That is not even in the ballpark with what is on the site being talked about in this thread.</p>

<p>parentny, I have zero trouble with consultants. It's the pricetag. Several thousand dollars may be justifiable for shepherding someone through the process and might be defensible on an hourly basis. But a grand for stats evaluation? Say what? What's the per hour rate on that? Is the evaluation review typed by a supermodel on qualuudes? They ought to be able to translate the stats from faded partial pictographs for that much cash. This is egregious. And I've already expressed my opinion on the 15 and 25k products.</p>

<p>As far as the 90% thing, D has a substantial interest in P-and wouldn't consider H and Y if they were free. It's all about fit first-$ second.</p>