The truth about USC's safety/crime rate?

Alright, so I commute and work full time during the day meaning I end up taking classes really late into the night. I often stay in the libraries until 12 am. I generally go out and get fast food after studying, sometimes a few blocks off of campus because food courts on campus are invariably closed by then. The below is about what goes on at night.

I started attending USC after they made the security changes, so I never had another point of comparison. When people, mostly online, talk about safety concerns around USC I honestly have no idea what they’re referring to, I feel like I must be oblivious. The school is huge. There are 40,000 kids that attend this school and need to navigate the area to go home or get food. It’s not like some prison camp where the kids are all huddled up in their dorms, the only people walking around the town at night are students anyway.

Night life isn’t exactly a thing that USC is short of, and most of the parties have to be held off-campus, so kids are stumbling around into the AM. Just don’t go places where there isn’t a reason to go - gentrification follows the places where students do have a reason to go. E.g. why would anyone walk south? The 160 acre Exposition Park separates USC from the rest of South LA, you’d really have to try to get into trouble down there.

On the other hand, in the direction towards the north and north east are almost all student residential buildings. The frat row several blocks north of campus connects to a neighboring university campus, which then bridges the school halfway to the Staples center, at which marks the edge of DTLA. Given its proximity to downtown, there’s lots of car traffic along the main roads even at 2-3 AM, so unless you go off exploring some alleyways late a night…

I don’t think it’s a joke to say that the security presence has turned up the heat on the area, and it would be insanely hard to get away with a violent crime around here. There are so many easier places to do that kind of stuff. And to even mention gang activity at this point is just fear mongering. I think a lot of people don’t really understand gang culture, other than what’s convenient to movie plotlines. There are less gang ‘members’ in all of LA than there are students at USC. There are half as many homocides in LA as there had been just 10 years ago.

I discussed this topic with a professor, and he observed that a lot of the kids that get into trouble are international students looking for a good deal on housing, compromising too much on everything else for price. Compounded by lack of awareness and poor communication, they get taken advantage of the most, and you’ll note that unfortunately most of the victims we hear about are international students.

Best advice is to visit the campus (which is stunning) and also make sure to visit the adjoining neighborhood (which is not stunning). There is a lot of crime. That is a fact. And the school does not guarantee housing after Freshman year (I believe), so all students at some point will have to move off campus. There have been murders of students right off campus for at least two years (in a row I think) which is not a common thing at most colleges. In fact, at some point, some countries put out alerts to their citizens to NOT send their kids to USC. I don’t know if that is still the case.Many will feel perfectly safe there, and many will not. Don’t commit without seeing the whole picture. And remember - the official tour will not bring you to what they don’t want you to see.

Your comment is pretty opinionated and full of misinformation. I can guarantee that you’re not a college student. Actually, I don’t even need to present that as a challenge, I know from your comment history that you’re a terrified parent perpetuating paranoia.

I can understand where you’re coming from as a parent in thinking in the interest of your kids, but try to keep those slanted exaggerations within your family if you’re trying to convince your kid not to come here (or justifying a rejection) - you don’t have to share them on online forums where they may have an effect on impressionable high school kids.

There have not been murders for two years in a row. One major incident occurred in 2012 and another in 2014. This past semester, a UCLA girl got in too deep with drugs. Another UCLA student comes along and participates in breaking into her flat, murdering her, and attempting to dispose her body by burning down the entire apartment building. Guess which story got more media coverage? No-one wants to read about students killing students. It’s the fanciful ones that makes it sound like LA is still fighting the gang violence wave of 90s even though neither of these incidents involved gang members. To say homicides are down by over 50% in the past 10 years alone would be bad for ratings. However, if I had to choose, I’d rather go to a school surrounded by criminals, than with them.

Bad stuff happens and it seems to happen a lot more to kids because they’re easier targets or often get themselves into bad situations. A kid at Berkeley gets stabbed to death by some homeless guy every couple of years. UC Merced, UCSB, Santa Monica College… all locations of tragic crime in the past two years. You create an institution enrolling multiple tens of thousand kids, something’s going to happen to some of them. The world as a whole isn’t idealistic enough quite yet to expect anything else.

Countries putting out alerts to not send their kids to one particular school in the US is pretty funny. I’m glad to know we’re of such interest that they have to send out alerts to every citizen in case they happen to be thinking of attending just this school. I think the “some point” you are referring to may be the point in which you truly deluded yourself into thinking you were right.

It sounds like the kinds of stories kids over at UCLA tell each other to feel better about their own deteriorating urban center. Is that why USC has the second largest # of international students in the US? Foreign communities are less idealistic than parents here. They know what they’re getting into. The US is known across the world for mass shootings and gun violence. I followed the aftermath of the 2012 incident on Chinese social media and much of the frustration was directed at the two kids for flaunting their wealth and perpetuating stereotypes that made Chinese internationals look bad i.e. drawing attention, which I thought was distasteful victim blaming. But it goes to show that parents don’t expect safety out of the US as a whole.

To address your last point, what kind of tour would you like them to give to these kids, international or domestic? Do you wanna put them on a bus, drive them a couple of miles down south and say, “look at all these minorities!” Do people like you think crime has a “look”? Please elaborate on what we should really be “seeing.” The residential buildings around USC are quite pretty and well kept. Or are you really just counting the number of black and hispanic people walking by?

I grew up in LA, not too far from USC, and still frequent much of LA.

There’s simply no way you can compare UCLAs location to USC’s location.

UCLA is in Westwood/Brentwood/Beverly Hills - one of the nicest, most exclusive areas of LA.

USC is on the north end of the 110 corridor, which is the most gang-riddled stretch of highway probably in the world.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z_0xOmJe8mV4.kbYlV4Vh3SqM&hl=en_US

Click on the boxes to see the hundreds of gangs within miles (or yards/feet) of USC’s campus.

USC has always done a good job of keeping its campus and residential areas relatively safe, and it is.

But make no mistake, it is essentially surrounded by some of the most violent, gang infested areas imaginable, very, very close by.

If you’re a pampered fraidycat, UCLA is your school.

I am convinced the media/Hollywood culture surrounding LA makes anything that happens there bigger news than anywhere else. There are certainly bad areas around USC. Yet, political leaders, famous people, and ridiculously wealthy people from everywhere have no problem sending their children there. The same people worried about USC should not consider Yale for a second, yet that school is in pretty good demand. Here are a couple of lists. USC is not on either of them:

25 Most Crime Ridden Colleges
http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2012/06/18/america-s-25-most-crime-rattled-colleges-from-yale-to-duke-photos.html#slide_15

College Campus Shootings 2015
http://time.com/4058669/northern-arizona-university-school-shootings-2015/

Where is all the news on many of the schools on these lists? It comes and goes. People just love to hate on USC because its a fabulous expensive private school in southern California, where dreams are made, and where many don’t get accepted.

Is it a safe haven? Goodness no, it is an urban campus with all the issues of an urban campus. The setting either suites the student or it doesn’t. It’s an individual’s choice.