<p>Westee--I agree that there are many holes in the financial data US News captures. I think total research budget should be a factor as that money flows all over the campus and provides many benefits to regular students. They do capture some of this in the total resources measure-- I think --where they take the total school budget divided by the number of faculty or something like that.</p>
<p>I kind of ment, why isnt it on the rankings?</p>
<p>Because it is a bogus ranking. You don't even have to look at the methodology or anything to figure it out. 5 letters: UMASS.</p>
<p>^ Maybe you should prove to us how the methodology is flawed. Otherwise, what you are saying is pure propaganda.</p>
<p>He's not saying the methodology is flawed; he's saying you don't have to look at the methodology. He's saying UMASS being ranked so high proves this ranking is pure cr*p. What is the point of making this thread? To argue with everyone? Like I said before: you're an idiot.</p>
<p>For those who have actually seen the methodology of the Times rankings you will know that it's not exactly based on academic excellence. Many schools in the top 50 have over half of their points because of the percentage of international students they chose to enroll enroll. Basically a school with a 40% international student body is a shoe in for the top 50 in those rankings, even if they have little academic accomplishments.</p>
<p>^ That is another valid criticism of the THES London Times Ranking. Schools like Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, UCLA, Cal Tech did not do so well in the international student body category. </p>
<p>This is great. A real discussion is going on. Can those with the bad attitudes please go away?</p>
<p>UMASS!</p>
<p>Westside, who let you out?</p>
<p>I don't care about these rankings or any other, but show me anything this absurd in any other ranking--including USnews!</p>
<p>You can't!</p>
<p>UMass is better than half of the top colleges in the US? Please!</p>
<p>^ I can say the same about Emory in the US News Rankings. Emory is better than UCLA, NYU, UVA, U of Michigan, etc??? I may not know anything about Emory, maybe I am wrong, but I do not see how or why Emory is ranked so highly on US News. </p>
<p>It comes down to the methodology used. And sometimes the methodology used has political purposes behind it. However, I do believe that the London Times ranking has less politics behind its rankings than US News does. </p>
<p>Please, if you want me to take you seriously, you should refrain from petty insults and actually speak with a respectable amount of intelligence. No offense.</p>
<p>The use of the number international students and faculty is a VERY dubious indicator of quality. I also question their data as Wisconsin has a 0 for faculty but I know many professors at UW have foreign Phds and are not US natives.</p>
<p>^ Yea, I agree with you about the use of international students and faculty is dubious. I was not aware that it was also factually incorrect as well...</p>
<p>The fact that they call it Wisconsin University is dubious. How could they do that??????????</p>
<p>Just from the parts everybody agrees with (including its more boisterous supporter[s]) it would be utterly tainted and worthless to anyone considering which college is best suited to actual human beings.</p>
<p>This ranking seems to be the collegiate equivalent of fantasy football--or American Idol;</p>
<p>it should be allowed to sink from the weight of its own a-symmetrical ballast (although, there is no particular reason why its captain should have to go down with the ship--it would customarily be the right thing to do).</p>
<p>HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA</p>
<p>UMASS in Top 25? the MOST ridiculous thing i heard today</p>
<p>AND WHERE IS UVA?</p>
<p>hahahahahahahahahahaha</p>
<p>UCBerkeley Top 3? ***? look at the faculty-student ratio man.............</p>
<p>retarded</p>
<p>West Sidee you just admitted you knew nothing about Emory. So why are you attacking it?</p>
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<p>The THES London TImes ranking considers faculty student ratio in its forumla. Berkeley did not do so well in this category, but the faculty reputation, citations per faculty score which was extremely good overshadowed it. </p>
<p>I believe Cal Tech had the highest average citations per faculty by a considerable margin. </p>
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<p>To show that one university ranking that seems "out of place" does apply to a lot of rankings. I know nothing about UMass either. Perhaps they have some science departments that do some significant research that I know nothing about. Either way, it seems to me that the US News places a lot of emphasis on resources, while the London Times places a lot of emphasis on research and faculty reputation.</p>
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<p>Just because you don't know about it means that it's bad?</p>
<p>^ Of course not. But I don't see how UMass and Emory are any different. Care to tell me? When I look through investment banking resumes, and I see UMass and Emory, (which I never do, I only see Harvard, Yale, Berkeley, Stanfurd, Wharton, UCLA, U of Michigan, U of Chicago, Princeton, etc...) I don't really know what basis to assign these two schools. For schools like this, usually we take into account SAT scores and GPA more strongly.</p>
<p>this thread is just proof that the only values people here on CC care about are those dictated by US News. people here don't have the slightest respect for any other values, and that's why they keep bashing it. UMASS is good in its own way, in a way that THES london times ranking thought was appropriate, and in a way that we may overlook or not necessarily care about. sorry that the WORLD DOES NOT ALWAYS REVOLVE AROUND US NEWS RANKINGS.</p>
<p>Emory is a significantly better school than UMASS. West Sidee you don't see many Emory resumes because you are in California, not many Emory grads end up there.</p>