"Those ECs are weak...."- So what's good?

<p>"No. No, no, no. This way of thinking is completely wrong and NOT AT ALL what top schools are looking for. You absolutely do NOT have to overload yourself, making yourself unable to spend time on CC or do other things that you find fun (not saying that surfing CC is fun… XD) in order to get into a top school. Read Cal Newport’s StudyHacks blog (google “Zen Valedictorian”) sometime; it gives very good advice. It’s not about HOW MUCH you do; it’s WHAT you do and what those activities MEAN to you. There’s a huge difference between both.</p>

<p>Don’t join EC’s if you just want to “look good on paper”. Pursue the ones you are genuinely interested about. Right now, just by looking at what you posted, it seems as though Speech and Debate, as well as the literary magazine, would be good areas of focus for you. Coming from a lit mag editor here – the latter’s definitely a very fun and creative activity. "</p>

<p>You’re probably on to something here. I have a tendency to obsess over college, even at my age, at which point I probably shouldn’t get as worried over it as I do. But I’m genuinely interested in newspaper and Mock Trial, and think I’d find them fun. I do think I’ll apply to write on newspaper, since I enjoy writing, and keep up all my other activities, but Mock Trial…that might be one too many, I think. Well, we’ll see.</p>

<p>I guess I just get freaked out reading over CC. Just glancing over the stats of those accepted to HYPS, many of them are heavily involved in four or more activities, with simply incredible grades and test scores. I worry that one day, a college will glance over my app - let’s say I’m a captain of Extempt, lit mag Editor-in-Chief, newspaper writer, and Quiz Bowl member - and then they’ll have another student pitted against me, who’s the captain of Speech and Debate as a whole, newspaper/lit mag Editor-in-Chief, and captain of a Varsity sports team. How can I possibly compete with someone like that?</p>

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<p>It does not matter how many leadership positions you have. Top schools will not be going through your app and counting them one by one. Just stick to an activity or two you truly enjoy, and excel in them. You’ll also find that you’ll have very memorable experiences as a result of participating in them, and will consequently be a more interesting person overall. That interestingness factor, along with passion, is what top schools are looking for the most. </p>

<p>When it comes time to apply to college, I will only have 3 EC’s on my app, but they’re all lifelong passions of mine (started all of them at a very young age, think ages 5, 6, 7), and I honestly believe they’ve played a huge role in shaping me into the person I am now. I think I’m in pretty good shape – and get this – I only spend up to 10-12 hours a week on my EC’s… and that’s considered a busy week for me. In most cases, I spend around 7-8. That means I have plenty of time to hang out with friends and family, and have time simply for relaxing and having fun. :)</p>

<p>“It does not matter how many leadership positions you have.”</p>

<p>I’d like to believe this…maybe I should. I think CC has corrupted me in some ways, making me think that I need to be captain of every activity in order to show my dedication, but I may be forgetting about the point of the activity in the first place. For example, newspaper - I really regret not applying for a position last semester, but not because I wanted it to look good on paper; I just like writing. Of all my activities, I don’t really enjoy Quiz Bowl (one of those “looks good on paper” things, in retrospect) so maybe I should drop that and focus on other activities.</p>

<p>But you make very good points. I obsess over all of this far more than I need to, and it’s starting to eat away at time better spent on productive things. Like you said, if I just focus on the three or four activities I have going for me right now, and I keep up my grades, I’m sure I could still get into a top-ranked school. Maybe not HYPS (well, I’m a legacy child for Princeton, so I guess I have a better chance in that respect), but places like Duke, Rice, NYU, etc - those are all amazing schools. I’ll trust you that colleges won’t expect me to be Supergirl (even though there are a few out there, it seems) and just to follow my passions in life. :)</p>

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<p>Thanks. :smiley: </p>

<p>Actually, I’m merely restating Cal Newport’s ideas, which I feel are must-reads for every high school and college student. Read his original blog, containing his “Zen Valedictorian” philosophy, here: [Study</a> Hacks Blog Archive The Zen Valedictorian: A Radical New Model for Getting the Most Out of College](<a href=“http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/04/11/the-zen-valedictorian-a-radical-new-model-for-getting-the-most-out-of-college/]Study”>The Zen Valedictorian: A Radical New Model for Getting the Most Out of College - Cal Newport)</p>

<p>Would this have been appropriate to write in my application, as a difficulty I have had to overcome:</p>

<p>So, I’m in my last year of high school, and only since the start of the year have I decided to step it up and take school seriously. I’ve felt that, although I have had a mediocre academic history, I have potential, and can obtain excellent grades and scores if I exert just a bit more effort.</p>

<p>However, I feel that the people around me - that is, my family - have hindered me, in pursuing this goal.</p>

<p>My brother, who is four years older than me, seems to have a lot of time to play video games. What I mean, is that he would always try to convince me to play Starcraft, Street Fighter, or whatever computer/video game with him. He would go so far to entice me as to offer me money ($20-100) or another reward if I beat him. This took from me hours to days every week, and I soon learned that it would be difficult to win. Nevertheless, he would always mock me while I did any schoolwork or activity he didn’t find interesting, attempting to discourage me. He would say something like “glad I didn’t waste MY time doing history and biology (my weakest subjects); just gotta stress yourself out memorizing all that” or “nobody cares about chess; I bet more people play starcraft (a computer game I had played for a long time) than chess.” Chess was an activity in which I used to be very competitive and aimed to represent the nation through winning a regional tournament (which I was capable of), but gave up that goal, beginning to feel myself that the game was meaningless.</p>

<p>Also, during the last half-year, I have been constantly arguing with my parents about religion (as they believe and brought me up in an obscure one, and I have expressed my disdain and refutations on their beliefs), to the point that my parents would no longer support, or even care about my academics. My mother, all of a sudden, began telling me that she would not give me a ride to school, or pack my lunch (which I was not used to doing myself). Also, she would not give me an adequate studying environment; I had a small room at home with a desk-sized table and poor lighting. When I told her that I needed a better place to study, she would say that “it’s all in my head; truly good students can study anywhere” and even bring me to a psychologist several times to talk about this problem.</p>

<p>I was incredulous by my parents’ reactions to my need for a better study environment. My father was so exasperated that he threatened not to take me to the SAT test center for my only chance at taking the SAT II (as I had decided to take it at the last possible month). He would say, “I don’t care about your school; you don’t know anything about life, you can fail your courses and I don’t care.” He took away the SAT physics book I borrowed from the library before it was due or I was done with it.</p>

<p>Luckily, I was able to convince my parents this need and strengthen my relations with them. Just a week before the SAT, I managed to get a couple of books for SAT math II and physics (and get 800s on both of the subject tests).</p>

<p>In short, I’ve been harassed by constant discouragement that still haunts me to this day. My family, along with the psychologist, have told me that I am wasting my life working so hard in school and preparing for university, which is a place that just involves more studying and an even more narrowly-focused life. I have ignored them, keeping in mind my future and thirst for knowledge. But I know I could have done even more without their disruptions.</p>

<p>It’s too late for me to mention any of these in my already-submitted application, but I feel that it would be quite difficult to persevere with my surroundings, and wonder if I would have deserved some credit for this. However, I did not feel comfortable talking about my family this way, and that this appears to be a rather unusual difficulty.</p>

<p>The video games one would only hurt you in my opinion. My brothers are video game obsessed too and I constantly have to listen to Call of Duty while I do my homework or read a book. This is clearly a hindrance, but it’s nothing that strong study habits and a good discipline won’t fix. Blaming your brothers for this seems more like an excuse.
The parents stopping you would work only in an essay in my opinion, and I would only use it for a very specific prompt that asked about your family. I live in a pretty poorly managed house so I often stay in school until 8 or 9 o clock in the library, only with the janitor around because it offers the best lighting. But even I don’t think that’s worthy to mention.</p>

<p>Hey, can anyone tell me if these are pretty good ECs if I want to attend a bs/md med program? Also, the trip to South Africa was paid with research stipends. Thanks!</p>

<p>-Volunteer at 3 hospitals: plan to reach 900 hours by the end of senior year at the rate i’m going (activities included general patient care: cleaning up, talking to, etc. , some office work, actual onsite helping nurses, working in the E.R. helping doctors out, etc.)
-Volunteer at the VA, plan on reaching about 200 hours here at the rate I am going
-Volunteered about 150 hours at a village hospital in India helping out the poor.
-Co - created a medical abstract with some medical students and researchers
-Internship with radiologist in Chicago
-Volunteered at a large indian hospital (in India) for about 50 hours.
-Have done research in a lab as well
-Taken college courses relating to medicine and science outside of school
-Went to South Africa and spent the whole summer volunteering to help AIDS patients as well as researching with doctors stationed there. (did some shadowing as well). The volunteering was almost everyday for about 5 - 7 hours for about 2 months, so almost 375 hours of volunteering there
-Volunteered at a local center where I actually got to work with disabled children (this was about 40 hours, and I plan to go back for about another 40 hours)
-Have shadowed multiple doctors in the town.
-Also had an active role in campaigning for and actually collecting donations for Cancer research. (almost like a door - door request system).
-Also, with the VA, I also went around trying to collect donations for veterans as well.
-Lastly, other random volunteering experiences as well, such as library, which I would consider at least 100- 150 hours.</p>

<p>The good: focus</p>

<p>The so-so: lack of accomplishment. With ECs of this ilk, I’d expect some science competitions along the line.</p>

<p>TheChance: Wow. That’s definitely an impressive list. However, I would agree with glassesarechic in the sense that achievements in science or mathematics competitions would improve the list. But the volunteer hours are good, esp. the overseas ones. </p>

<p>I got accepted into the Global Public Service Academy for Health 2010. Does anyone know anyone who is going? Or how beneficial will it be on an college application?</p>

<p>How can I improve my ECs?</p>

<p>Certain ECs
CC/Track 1000 hours before I apply
Teach English to poor children in Taiwan over summer in 2011. 33% accepted to program (I can speak chinese)
Newspaper photographer
Citizen Club Officer
National Art Honor society
Piano (bad EC, no awards because I started just before high school)
Founder and President of Origami Club
I create my own origami that doesn’t come from a book. It has no instructions.</p>

<p>Uncertain ECs
Photo Editor for newspaper
Math team Junior year
Publish an AP Euro review book out of my outlines
National Merit Finalist (maybe even scholar)
National AP scholar Junior year </p>

<p>I don’t anticipate winning any awards. How can I improve my EC’s? Also I’m Asian. Is it good that I am not in any math or science things and that stands out?</p>

<p>^ You’re lookin’ good, but maybe you should even withhold on Math Team; you don’t want to appear too all over the place. It’s nice to have a common thread or a few (ie, mine would be writing/debate/music) instead of just scattered organizations here and there. I’m amazed that you can participate in all of those clubs plus two sports, so congratulations for being able to do so. =)</p>

<p>Do you think you’ll be a captain of CC/track at any point? You’re obviously very dedicate but if you had a leadership position it would admittedly appear much more impressive.</p>

<p>calnewport.com/blog</p>

<p>He has an interesting take on ECs, and I tend to side with his philosophy rather than the sports+clubs philosophy of many CCers.</p>

<p>First time posting (hi) and I am a junior. I am kind of in a dilemma here. </p>

<p>I am aspiring to go to top public schools like UCLA, UF, etc. for biology, and maybe apply for medical school. So, for my ECs I decided volunteering at the local hospital was the most obvious thing to do. I volunteer 5-6 hours every week and I enjoy it a lot. I am trying to attend some health related programs over the summer (probably paid) and shadow a doctor at my local hospital. Now as much as I enjoy doing health-related ECs, I also enjoy an entirely different EC. </p>

<p>I take my school’s TV Studio class. I have not produced or made any films that have won any awards, however, I am doing some important work with my teacher to bring our TV Studio class national level attention. My teacher and I are working with a company from Pakistan (whom is working with Microsoft and other global companies), that will release a web product sometime in the near future. It might revolutionize how presentations and videos are shown to everybody people (can’t give away too much). So, we are basically testing this product at our class and are also working with various global companies financially supporting the product. Other than that, I am also helping this woman trying to make a film about cowboys and horses. This woman is working with Oscar winning producers and directors, so I am hoping to meet or talk with some of them along the way. There is so much more my teacher and I working on together, but I think you get the general idea of what I do.</p>

<p>Now my problem is if I list or talk about my TV Studio class related after school activities more than my science related activities, will it hinder my chances of applying to a science major at UCLA, UF, etc?</p>

<p>Should I be trying to do more science related ECs? Maybe win a competition lol?</p>

<p>Just do the extra-curricular activities you ENJOY. Seriously. If that happens to lead you to a science competition, then that’s great, but don’t do things for how they will look on paper. Join the clubs you want to join (scattered looking as they may make your app) and if you don’t want to list them on the CommonApp, then just don’t. Your life should not be ruled by the scanning eye of an admissions officer.</p>

<p>Preach it to the choir ED2Please! [:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/894712-asian-painfully-banal-craptastic-junior-year-grades-do-i-still-have-chance.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/894712-asian-painfully-banal-craptastic-junior-year-grades-do-i-still-have-chance.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>What if my country doesn’t offer EC as extensive as US does? I thought I was an active student before finding CC - where you guys seem to live for school.</p>

<p>I believe this was mentioned but it’s been a few years ago and the information was not too detailed. My son has been on two FIRST robotics teams at his school for both his soph & Jr. years and will be on one team next year. He mentors an elementary robotics team (3yrs by the end of HS). His team is national award winning, three of which going to the world robotics championships each year. (you must win at the state level, or your countries equivilant to go). This requires 20hrs a week of engineering, build, design, CAD, programming, community service, judges presentation, etc. Prior to competition they will work up to 24hours and attend school the next day to make sure everything ships on time. Most of these students are in multiple AP classes and/or dual enrolled. They work with industry professional mentors from Lockheed Martin, SAIC, Micron, etc., who teach and push them to excel. They attend and participate in conferences on Cyber Warfare excersizes (this was hosted by their team, attended by military and private industry & covered by national news media), conferences on UAV’s, organize and execute FLL regional robotics competitions (4th & 5th graders). They wrote a manual and hold county wide training every August for elementary administrative teams on how to run a successful robotics program and program the ‘nxt bots’.
I think you get the picture. These students do a lot more than build robots for a few hours after school. Because of their commitment most are only able to participate in a select few other activities, NHS, or Science NHS. Local and State Science Fairs. Due to their desire to attend top universities, most also attend summer enrichment programs or have internships.
Please understand my point here is not to brag… I would have gone to another forum for that. My question is, will the weight of the extensive robotics be considered as a rather unique activity and hold importance?</p>

<p>First of all, to the robotics post, it sounds strong. Especially if they are winning awards and going to national conferences, etc. </p>

<p>What would y’all consider these EC’s</p>

<p>-Grand Board of BBYO
-I am serving as the international VP of communications and fundraising over the next year (5 guys on board, 5 girls)
-The organization engages something like 28K teens a year
-I served on the chapter and regional levels since 9th grade in the capacities of programming VP and communications VP
-I have done at least 2 weeks of leadership training with BBYO every summer since 9th grade, coordinated a regional leadership weekend, and am coordinating 2 weeks of International Leadership training summer 2011</p>

<p>-District Parliamentarian of FBLA
-I served on chapter board, and scored highest in the district on a test that chose the next district Parly
-My parli-pro team was #1 in the district</p>

<p>-I’m planning a 15K fundraiser selling portable speakers for BBYO to raise money for various causes</p>

<p>-NHS</p>

<p>-Quill and Scroll</p>

<p>-Website Editor for school paper
-I created my schools newspaper website this year, and have some experience with HTML</p>

<p>-FSPA
-On the district level, I got first place in the carry-in advertisements section (it had to be a star trek ad, and I used photoshop to turn Obama’s hand into the vulcan =] )</p>

<p>I’ve run X-C for two years (didn’t run this year), and will run next year, with two years of varsity (counting next year)</p>

<p>How does musical composition look as an ec? I haven’t yet won any awards in it, but I have had pieces played publicly and by one professional group</p>

<p>Varsity Tennis 3 years with letters earned, MVP soph year
Varsity softball 2 years letters earned
Varsity indoor track
Varsity outdoor track Javelin thrower two medals earned so far
National honor society
Challenger league buddy- help physically challenged and mentally challenged students play sports against other schools.
PAL- peer assistant leader 2 years</p>