Many NJ kids from top HSs go to Rutgers and do very well. Many go to OOS schools, some because the schools are considered “better”, some because they want to live elsewhere, some because they want a smaller school, and some because Rutgers doesn’t have their major.
There are kids in every state that don’t want to go to their in-state flagship, even if it is well regarded. Somehow people seem to think only NJers think that way. Some problems with Rutgers is that the campus is very spread out so that kids have to take buses from their campus of residence to classes. Another is that advising is very general until you are in a major. You just go to the advising center and whoever is on duty talks to you. No real opportunity to get consistent advising from the same person. And being in large intro classes, it is not that easy to get to know a professor and so get good advice.
Kids pick schools like UDel because they are smaller or Penn State because of the sports and alumni connections and the party scene. Or UMich because of prestige. Kids go to OOS publics because the cost, while higher than Rutgers, is still less than privates. But many kids in top districts definitely think of Rutgers as a consolation prize
I Wonder if they put down a deposit for housing, as some schools are first come first served. The family made the right choice. I don’t think even well regarded journalists make enough money to be in the top 1%. Probably not even the highest fifth which was over $250k in 2014.
Should be very small as they do not give out merit aid like candies to OOS students like Alabama.
They proudly serve NJ students even though certain part of population snubs them.
Most probably they do. However they do not meet full need of all instate students. So they could redirect their considerable OOS merit to instate students to serve them even more proudly.
One way public schools with a large OOS population (UVM, Bama) are ‘serving’ their residents is by bringing in diversity, ideas, money. UVM is 65% OOS students. Can you imagine how many fewer classes and opportunities it could offer its residents if it were 50% or more smaller?
Yes Bama seems to be a brain drain towards Bama, kind of like what Germany is doing by offering free tuition to all. Some people stay. Lots stay, maybe.
That’s because Stevens is a technical school full of engineering & CS majors. Any school that doesn’t have a bunch of sociology & psych majors dragging down the average for starting salaries will have a “high ROI”.
With all due respect, cash is fungible. So, unless that philanthropy is specifically restricted for OOS scholarships/grants, it is cash that could be used for instate students, should the University choose to make it so. Ditto “institutional resources.”
(I had this very discussion with a UC representative, who finally agreed that I was correct.)
There is money to go around. There are wealthy alumni as there are from most flagships. Both instate and OOS kids are having their need met so I don’t have a problem with it. If you get in, you will get aid if you need it. Of course, some people will think they have more need than any individual school may determine they need. Merit aid to families that are affluent would be more of an issue to me. Most public schools have OOS kids. It adds diversity. Instate families have lower tuition, as they should. That is already a bonus.
And yes, lots of endowment money is earmarked for certain projects, buildings, etc. You can’t just move that kind of money around .
"“But it doesn’t feel like a luxury to my kids, who have grown up in an affluent community among competitive kids.” "
In other words, if you’re spoiled and used to luxuries, then they don’t count as luxuries any more? If the children lack perspective, then it’s the parents’ job to help them see their situation in context.
Yeah, I get that, but I would be really surprised if the restriction, said, ‘OOS students only’. In most cases, donors will donate $$ to a category called ‘scholarships’ or to ‘need-based financial aid’, with few, if any, geographic restrictions. And if I am correct, UVA could then spend more on instate financial aid and less on OOS financial aid if it so chose. If they don’t have enough needy instate students, they could easily use the $$ currently spent on OOS’ers and reduct the instate loan portion, while fulfilling the donor’s wishes (of financial aid).
Most aid is need based at UVa. . I support that. Jefferson Scholars are a tiny fraction of each incoming class and are funded by the Jefferson Scholars Foundation, not by UVa Student Financial Services. That is a merit based program. Every state and every school does things differently. That’s why it is important to figure out that kind of stuff before you start applying to schools , especially if they are not in your own state and will have a higher OOS tuition to begin with. Here is an example I found of recent efforts to fund students. https://news.virginia.edu/content/donors-propel-blue-ridge-scholarships-and-financial-aid-endowment
" not to expect FA from an out-of-state public. " - Why not? OOS publics are offerring FAs to qualified applicants in form of Merit scholarships.
On the other note, the “kid’s peer group” is totally irrelevant for a specific kid. Why bother to apply to a college that would not offer a substantial FA in one form or another? Complete waste of time and other family resources!
“In most cases, donors will donate $$ to a category called ‘scholarships’ or to ‘need-based financial aid’, with few, if any, geographic restrictions.” - this is true based on our family experience. They can put many conditions there, but out of 10 D’s Merit scholarships that were privately donated to her state public, none had “geographic” type of conditions. Maybe it is the case at other publics though…
I’ll just throw this out there. My child is a full pay in-state student at UVA. She is getting an incredible education at a bargain price. Many of her closest friends are OOS there on need based scholarships. These kids are brilliant and they bring much needed economic, social, and racial diversity to the school. Their presence vastly enhances my daughter’s education and I for one as a VA taxpayer am thrilled with the policy of need blind admissions and meeting full EFC for all in and out state students. I’m also happy about the state law requiring 2/3’s of the students be in state to ensure VA taxpayers have a fair shot at attendance.
If an OOS school was so essential for their son, then why didn’t they research and find schools that would’ve given him aid? I’m especially boggling at this since researching is an essential part of their jobs. SMH