Times Higher Education Rankings 2018

College Search & Selection
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I believe it includes the proportion of international students. @TomSrOfBoston

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Yeah- I think the international percentages include graduate students.

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@uclaparent9, this ranking is heavily weighted on research output of the entire university… and medical schools are huge contributors to research output. UCLA inches above Berkeley because UCLA has a medical school and Berkeley does not.

Edit: of course MIT & Caltech do not have medical schools, but they bring in gobs of money in research grants. I should have made clear that between two COMPARABLE institutions, the one with the medical school will edge out the one without.

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@harvardandberkeley “UCLA has a medical school and Berkeley does not.”

Could someone mark which universities in the list have medical schools?

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This ranking is a joke, shameless British! No UK universities should deserve to be in the top five.

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This ranking is also tilted in favor of tech schools. Interestingly, This makes Chicago’s spot all the more impressive because it has no engineering. For Harvard you would expect a preeminent position even without serious engineering.
Disagree re Oxbridge. They are certainly in the very top, whether 5 or 7 is not important.

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@f2000sa And your statement is based on…?

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@harvardandberkeley But don’t you agree that having a Medical School, is an “asset” for a school which could (or even should?) raise its standing? Especially when that medical school is doing as good a job (or even better) than other fields (of that school)?

(I rackon that, as long as we-- both you and me! – carry our affiliated school name in our own names in CC, we can not be quite objective in this particular discussion !!)

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SHOCKER: British rankings show Oxbridge as #1 and #2!

I suspect that they begin with the answer and work back to the criteria.

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I have no connection with UCLA or Berkeley. I like both of them. However, here is the answer.

Berkeley only technically does not “have” a medical school. UCSF on the other side of the Bay Bridge always has been Berkeley’s medical school, but for weird historical reasons, the Regents started counting UCSF as a separate university branch even though it is only a medical school. UCSF is one of the top 3 medical schools and research facilities in the nation. The relationship between Berkeley and UCSF is extremely strong, and in essence is exactly the same as the relationship between UCLA and UCLA’s medical school.

If Berkeley and UCSF were considered together as one university (as they really should be), Berkeley would leave UCLA far in its rear view mirror in any research ranking system, and might be challenging Harvard as the preeminent research university in the entire world.

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@ThankYouforHelp ^ In the same line of arguement, one may claim that UCLA itself could have been part of UCB now, as used to be called Southern Branch of Berkeley at old times. Then UCB would have been even more resourceful !?
But we are dealing with today’s reality. Aren’t we?

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Yes. Of course we are. And in today’s reality, UCSF operates as UCBerkeley’s medical school in the same way as UCLA medical school operates as UCLA’s medical school. They offer joint degree programs, many professors are at both campuses, students take classes at both, etc.

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https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The ranking of US Universities in the top ten is:

Cal Tech
Stanford
MIT
Harvard
Princeton
UChicago
Penn

Yale, JHU, Columbia, UCLA, Duke, Berkeley, Cornell, Northwestern (in that order) are in the 10-20 group

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Colleges with medical schools *

3 California Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
*6 Harvard University
*7 Princeton University
*9 University of Chicago
*10 University of Pennsylvania
*12 Yale University
*13 Johns Hopkins University
*14 Columbia University
*15 University of California, Los Angles
*17 Duke University
18 University of California, Berkeley (UCSF)
*19 Cornell University
*20 Northwestern University
*21 University of Michigan
24 Carnegie Mellon University
*25 University of Washington
*27 New York University
*31 University of California, San Diego
33 Georgia Institute of Technology
*37 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
*43 University of Wisconsin-Madison
*49 University of Texas at Austin
*50 Brown University
*50 Washington University in St Louis

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I mistakenly marked Princeton. It doesn’t have a medical school.