New Times (UK) rankings of "top 200" world universities

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<p>For those who care about such things. It's dated 10/09/08.</p>

<p>University</a> top 200 in full - Times Online</p>

<p>1 HARVARD University United States </p>

<p>2 YALE University United States </p>

<p>3 University of CAMBRIDGE United Kingdom </p>

<p>4 University of OXFORD United Kingdom </p>

<p>5 CALIFORNIA Institute of Technology (Calt... United States </p>

<p>6 IMPERIAL College London United Kingdom </p>

<p>7 UCL (University College London) United Kingdom </p>

<p>8 University of CHICAGO United States </p>

<p>9 MASSACHUSETTS Institute of Technology (M... United States </p>

<p>10 COLUMBIA University United States </p>

<p>11 University of PENNSYLVANIA United States </p>

<p>12 PRINCETON University United States </p>

<p>13= DUKE University United States </p>

<p>13= JOHNS HOPKINS University United States </p>

<p>15 CORNELL University United States </p>

<p>16 AUSTRALIAN National University Australia </p>

<p>17 STANFORD University United States </p>

<p>18 University of MICHIGAN United States </p>

<p>19 University of TOKYO Japan </p>

<p>20 MCGILL University Canada </p>

<p>21 CARNEGIE MELLON University United States </p>

<p>22 KING'S College London United Kingdom </p>

<p>23 University of EDINBURGH United Kingdom </p>

<p>24 ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of T... Switzerland </p>

<p>25 KYOTO University Japan </p>

<p>26 University of HONG KONG Hong Kong </p>

<p>27 BROWN University United States </p>

<p>28 </p>

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<p>Interesting list-- Disappointing that the article says nothing about the criteria for choosing the top 200.</p>

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<p>QS</a> Top Universities - Official home of the THE - QS World University Rankings</p>

<p>You can find the criteria here...knock yourself out</p>

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<p>Pleasantly surprised to see UMass Amherst on there. I always thought it got a bad rap despite the fact that tons of intelligent and successful students go there.</p>

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<p>Surprised to see Cal so low. Isn't Call all about its research/ graduate strength. Surprised to see Dartmouth and Brown so high, pretty strong for undergraduate focused colleges.</p>

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<p>Gee, a British ranking puts their top 4 schools in the top 8 worldwide.... another 2 in the top 25, another 2 in the top 35. Could be a bit of a slant there.</p>

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<p>Hmm, Texas A&M over Tufts.</p>

<p>I love seeing RPI on a top 200 list.</p>

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<p>Except perhaps for the top few schools, this list on it's own isn't very useful -- much too broad, too general. Would be much more helpful if they could rank the schools by program/department.<br>
S. needs to make some decisions on study abroad (UK) next year, and is scrambling to research good IR and foreign policy programs. Am sure the same goes for engineering, english/literature, economics, etc. Anyone know if such information exists?</p>

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<p>Aha -
enter your field of interest under subject at the top--
University</a> Rankings League Table 2009 | Good University Guide - Times Online</p>

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<p>There's a new poll out that has the University of Toledo just ahead of Michigan...</p>

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<p>When you have UCLA and NYU rank better than Dartmouth, you know it's all BS.</p>

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<p>^ or that ANU is ranked higher than Stanford.</p>

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<p>Hah, MSUdad--betcha you guys are loving this!</p>

<p>I've stopped monitoring my alma mater. It's too depressing.</p>

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<p>We toured University of British Columbia recently and they referred to that article. They are one of the top Canadian schools and the vibe reminded me a lot of Berkeley-interesting that they are right there with UCB in the rankings. </p>

<p>I can't see how you could rank internationally--the criteria would have to be very broad and probably heavily slanted toward the visibility of the research being conducted at each institution.</p>

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<p>frank,</p>

<p>I'd have to agree ANU is one of the most overrated universities in the world (or at least according to this), and I only recently came to this realization. The faculty is not at all amazing, they do work with a lot of money by international standards, but Australian universities are generally operated like a business. If you can finance your own education then you're in, places like Monash have gathered almost their entire endowment off of charging international students. Stipends don't exist at ANU, good luck financing your 24,000 dollar tuition and at least 20,000 in living expenses without them. Now who wouldn't want a person who can finance their own education and basically work in your lab for free? There are only a handful of scholarships for internationals. Now compare this with the US or even Canada. Tuition is almost always waived, living expenses covered, the only criteria is getting in. The profs are 100x better on average, US universities get the best of what the world has to offer whereas ANU is pretty much only the best of what Australia and New Zealand have to offer! (what with prestigious universities like Otaga...) Even universities in the UK are a bit overrated.</p>

<p>Mombot, UBC is a great school but it's no Berkeley. Nor is McGill, even though both are ranked higher. Not to say UCB is very selective for locals, just as a research university. But both McGill and UBC are in the top tier of Canadian universities (in terms of research and prestige), I'm kind of concerned because there's a bias for Ontarian universities on many online forums simply because there are more Ontarians and more people attending Ontarian schools. So take it from me, UBC is a very important and prestigious Canadian university and many in the West would prefer it and even SFU over any Ontarian university. </p>

<p>Overall Australian and UK universities are ranked way too high. UCL at number 7 is the biggest joke! German and Swedish universities are way underrated. Stanford is ranked way too low, I don't even think it's correct to rank one of HPSY above or below the other (overall). These rankings demonstrate very well why using one methodology to rank all the world's universities is absurd! The US has enough top quality universities to easily fill in most of the top 30.</p>

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<p>^^^^
I'm not sure how I feel about what you said...I both agree and disagree. I was study abroad student at ANU at looked into going there for grad school and you are absolutely correct about there not being a lot of money to attend there. But this is generally only a concern in you are an international student. From the Aussie PhD students I knew there, most seemed to be funded by either the government or some organization. Only the internationals seemed to be self funding. And I would argue that the faculty IS fairly amazing. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's better than Stanford, because I don't believe that's true, but I would argue that overall ANU has one of the best 50 faculties in the world. While there I was able to work with one of the most recognizable names in my field and there is plenty of important research coming out of there.</p>

<p>As far as your statement regarding HYPS...on the global research stage Harvard is a clear #1, Stanford and Yale are both excellent and should be toward the top of any ranking, but Princeton is a slight step below the others on the graduate/research level. Maybe it's because they emphasize undergrad more? I think the Times rankings correctly places HYP, but not Stanford. </p>

<p>I've attended 3 universities in the top 60 according to this ranking (and each was in a different country) and honestly, I haven't noticed a big difference between any of them. If anything the US uni I attended offered the fewest resources and had the worst professors (though I still love it dearly!)</p>

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<p>If you don't mind me asking which schools did you attend? And in which field?
(this info could be very useful for me!)</p>

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<p>DD has attended both UBC & UCB, in a side by side comparison she did not experience an amazing difference between them. She actually met more people 'like her' at UBC, so it was more fun.</p>

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<p>WHOOA UPENN IS SOOO NOT HIGHER THAN PRINCETON this is reall inaccurate</p>

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<p>This seems to be skewed toward larger institutions and those with a heavy focus on graduate education, in my opinion.</p>