<p>UC Berk is prob the most overrrated school on this whole board. Michigan and UVA are just as good. Duke is EXTREMELY overrated, penn sometimes just by US News, but on this board, not so much.</p>
<p>where is Alexandre when you need him lolll He actually knows what he is talking about. He speaks a lil too highly of michigan as an undergraduate school. </p>
<p>In response to Shrek:
with your top 10 argument, the last 2, you gave a bunch of schools. Just curious, why wasn't Cornell listed there when Chicago, Northwestern, Penn were??</p>
<p>What's wrong with you? You need validation for your school now? My friend, when have Duke/Columbia not been in the top 10? I know I am taking the proverbial flame bait here, but bball you are starting to excacerbate me. Cornell is a very good school, ok?</p>
<p>Cornell has one claim to fame and that is that it has the best engineering in the ivy league. It is a great school but in terms of its other departments it clearly does not belong in the top 10. I would put Duke and Dartmouth over Cornell any day because they are great across the board.</p>
<p>Columbia, defintely a top 10 school. Duke, I would say top 10 as well or slightly top 15. When I consider the greats of the greats, I value the quality of the departments/academics over most other factors. The fact that Dartmouth has such a talented student body really has nothing to do with it being a top 10 school, does it? You guys don't even admit it, but your assessing these schools by your perception, which is heavily influenced by US News. If Duke jumped down to like 17 next year, Columbia 15, Penn 16, you guys wouldn't be saying the same thing. It's a fact of life, we are influenced by a lot, US News, being one of them. I won't lie, I was influenced by it as well. However, in the end I chose Cornell over another school that was ranked "higher" on US News, and over JHU, Chicago, which were ranked the same.</p>
<p>Was it over Duke? Is that why you are so bitter against it? Cornell is good, can you not be content with that? But top 10....man i dunno.</p>
<p>Dartmouth has more than great students lol It has one of the best business schools in the world and one of the most intimate undergrad experiences out there. Cornell is too big for me and too cold. lol</p>
<p>stanmaster, you seem sooooo knowledgble, but when you speak, you make yourself sound more ignorant. Where does one find out how good a department is, they go look at department rankings. Now, why don't you go and search for the department rankings for 10 arbitrary subjects.</p>
<p>Math, Chem, Bio, Physics, English, History, Socilology, Classics, Philosophy, Engineering</p>
<p>After doing this, you will see that your statement Dartmouth is stronger "across the boards" is a complete fallacy. For example, ppl at Dart speak of their econ department as being fabulous, when in fact it is not, its good, but not top 5, not top 10, not top 15, not even top 30.</p>
<p>w.e. ppl, think what you want, I never said that Duke wasn't great, b/c it is. Neither did I say Columbia wasn't great, b/c it is. However, you guys have to realize there is no such thing as a top 10 ranking list. There is a group of 6 schools in a league of their own. HYPSMC, then beind them is a group of another 10 other schools. I do not know how one ranks them.</p>
<p>Cornell
Columbia
Duke
Dartmouth
Brown
Northwestern
Chicago
JHU</p>
<p>What rankings are u talking about? How could u possibly rank a department except by the individuals teaching it? Dartmouth has VERY strong teachers in economics, making it the most populous major there.</p>
<p>To me and what I have seen as the general consensus on these boards:</p>
<ol>
<li>HYPMS</li>
</ol>
<p>1.5. Caltech (they get points just because they are Cally thugs. lol)</p>
<ol>
<li><p>DUke Penn Columbia</p></li>
<li><p>Dartmouth Cornell Brown Northwestern</p></li>
</ol>
<p>C is Caltech, nevermind you figured it out</p>
<p>yeah I edited my post. lol Wow, I've had too much caffeine today.</p>
<p>Sorry bball!</p>
<p>put it this way ppl, i have a relative who works for Goldman Sachs in a large large city, some consider the financial capital of the world. He said the most represeted schools in his firm are Columbia, Penn Wharton, Cornell, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Dukies. I asked, he did not see too many Stanford, Northwestern, Chicago, Dartmouth, or Brown alums.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
MIT
Penn - Wharton
Stanford
Caltech
Columbia
Duke
Dartmouth</p>
<p>the rest of penn is not top 10, probably top 15 though.</p>
<p>well bern, you yourself help to keep Penn down without wharton, which i think is pretty dumb on your part. That list seems accurate, but I do not think that Dart deserves a spot in that top 10. Its departments are just not up to par.</p>
<p>sorry personally i think it's true...if i were interested in lib arts fields I definitely would not go to penn. I would go to a school like dartmouth, columbia, yale, princeton. Penn's college and its school of engineering are not bad at all but they are just not top 10. Wharton is penn's top program and as for nursing, if you're into that then it too is a top program. But if we're ranking overall university i think that the fact that penn's college and seas are not amazing keeps penn out of the top 10. However, don't get me wrong it definitely is a top 15 school (i'd say around 12)...which is not bad at all. Wharton definitely boosts the school up (why do you think that at one point wharton wanted to separate from penn and become its own university).</p>
<p>Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Harvard, Dartmouth, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Georgetown, M.I.T., Penn. (no particular order)</p>
<p>Harvard
Stanford
Berkeley
MIT
Caltech
Princeton
Yale
Chicago
Columbia
Cornell</p>
<p>in order.</p>
<p>are you looking for schools with...</p>
<p>... BEST PRESTIGE?
... BEST NAME RECOGNITION?</p>
<p>... or do you really mean best schools as in BEST EDUCATION? if this is what you're looking for, ask for opinions from Mini or Carolyn. </p>
<p>if not, then it's all subjective. the usual suspects will obviously show up, and the Liberal Arts Colleges will definately get overlooked since they don't have street name recognition, yet offer some of the best education out there.</p>
<p>kfcu, can u rate the schools in each of those ways in the way you see fit? I think that's what the OP wanted of us.</p>
<p>Originally posted by datalook:
"Harvard
Stanford
Berkeley
MIT
Caltech
Princeton
Yale
Chicago
Columbia
Cornell"</p>
<p>Uhm....wow.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
MIT
Stanford
Cal Tech
Penn
Columbia
Rice
Duke</p>