Top 10 US Universities by Olympians

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<p>According to this: [Michael</a> Phelps – Michigan Man??? - Road Bike, Cycling Forums](<a href=“Log in | Road Bike, Cycling Forums”>http://forums.roadbikereview.com/lounge/michael-phelps-michigan-man-287125.html)
he only audited a few classes at UM. It’s not even like he was trying to pursue a degree and then dropped out.</p>

<p>I don’t get how Michigan claiming him proves or validates anything. Of course Michigan wants to claim him, just like some of you want to. Sorry man, any objective person would think otherwise:

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<p>By the way, if Missy Franklin gets accepted to Cal and enrolls as a freshman, she’s a Golden Bear, regardless whether she’s eligible to be on their team or not. But taking couple classes through Berkeley Extension while training, at, say, Santa Clara Swim Club? No.</p>

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<p>^^^Sam: Many student athletes never graduated from the school they attended, yet they are still associated with that school. Phelps did take classes…</p>

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<p>^Even they are way different:

  1. Michael Phelps was never a student athlete to begin with.
  2. Michael Phelps probably never took SAT/ACT and I am sure he never filled that Michigan freshman admission application.
  3. If he only “audited” a few classes (which would make sense when he’s not a degree-seeking student), he didn’t really “take” them in my book.</p>

<p>I think I like the faculty child analogy much better.</p>

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<p>Sam, why does this bother you so much?</p>

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<p>^hardly. i am going to sleep just fine. it’s dangerous to speculate poster’s state of mind. it’s the last thing you want to do.</p>

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<p>Sam, </p>

<p>I wouldn’t take a single poster on Road Bike & Cycling Forums to be the definitive word on what Michael Phelps did or did not do at Michigan. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard anyone say that he only “audited” classes. I’ve always heard that he enrolled as a part-time non-degree student and took classes in sports marketing and sports management, but that over time he decreased the number of classes he took to concentrate on training. These were not “extension classes”; he was a Michigan student. There are many ways to be a student at a public university, including part-time and non-degree; at any given moment there are several hundred non-degree students enrolled in classes for credit at Michigan. They’re students. Some private universities may not allow that, but it is not at all uncommon at public universities.</p>

<p>What’s more, Phelps clearly identifies himself as a Michigan man. He proudly wears a Michigan Block M tattoo on one side, and an Olympic rings tattoo on the other side. He has told people at various times he would like to earn a degree in sports management, and any credits he’s already earned at Michigan could count toward that if he ever decides to become a degree candidate. He has also talked about how important it was to him during his time at Michigan to have high-level competition to swim against everyday, and how much fun it was to put the freshmen in their place when swimming with the Michigan swim team. He got that competition mostly from current Michigan swimmers and Michigan alumni swimmers who trained with him at Michigan and at Club Wolverine, several of whom were Olympic medalists this year, including Tyler Clary who set a new Olympic record in 200 back, beating the favored Ryan Ochte and Ryosuke Irie. Sure, Phelps was better overall than these guys, but he had heavy competition in every event from that bunch. But then, Phelps was better than anyone else on the planet, ever.</p>

<p>I say if he claims the school, and the school claims him, he’s a Michigan man. </p>

<p>Your whining smacks of sour grapes. Could it be because Michigan holds 18 NCAA Division 1 men’s swimming championships, more than any other school?</p>

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<p>Dangerous, Sam?! Yikes!!</p>

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<p>Ivy League Olympians.</p>

<p>Not bad for a non-scholarship conference:</p>

<p>Brown (2)
Craig Kinsley '11, USA (men’s track and field, javelin)
Nikola Stojic '97, Serbia, (rowing, men’s coxless pair)</p>

<p>Columbia (7)
Sherif Farrag '09, Egypt (fencing, men’s foil)
Erison Hurtault '07, Dominica (men’s track and field, 400m)
Nick LaCava '09, USA (rowing, men’s lightweight four)
Nzingha Prescod '15 USA (fencing, women’s foil)
Nicole Ross '12, USA (fencing, women’s foil)
Lisa Stublic '06, Croatia (women’s track and field, marathon)
Jeff Spear '10, USA (fencing, men’s sabre)
James Williams '07, USA (fencing, men’s sabre)</p>

<p>Cornell (3)
Muhammad Halim '08, Virgin Islands (men’s track & field, triple jump)
Ken Jurkowski '03, USA (rowing, men’s single sculls)
Morgan Uceny '07, USA (women’s track and field, 1,500m)</p>

<p>Dartmouth (4)
Anthony Fahden '08, USA (rowing, men’s lightweight four)
Sean Furey '04, USA (men’s track & field, javelin)
Evelyn Stevens '05, USA (women’s road cycling)
Erik Storck '07, USA (sailing)</p>

<p>Harvard (9)
Brodie Buckland '06, Australia (rowing, men’s pair)
Caryn Davies '05, USA (rowing, women’s eight)
Temi Fagbenle '15, Great Britain (women’s basketball)
Malcolm Howard '05, Canada (rowing, men’s eight)
Samyr Laine '06, Haiti (men’s track & field, triple jump)
Esther Lofgren '09, USA (rowing, women’s eight)
Alex Meyer '10, USA (swimming, 10K)
Will Newell '11, USA (rowing, men’s lightweight four)
Henrik Rummel '09, USA (rowing, men’s four)</p>

<p>Penn (2)
Koko Archibong '03, Nigeria (men’s basketball)
Susan Francia '04, USA (rowing, women’s eight)</p>

<p>Princeton (15)
Donn Cabral '12, USA (men’s track & field, steeplechase)
Sara Hendershot '10, USA (rowing, women’s pair)
Maya Lawrence '02, USA (fencing, women’s epee)
Caroline Lind '06, USA (rowing, women’s eight)
Sam Loch '06, Australia (rowing, men’s eight)
Diana Matheson '08, Canada (women’s soccer)
Andreanne Morin '06, Canada (rowing, women’s eight)
Glenn Ochal '08, USA (rowing, men’s four)
Robin Prendes '11, USA (rowing, men’s lightweight four)
Julia Reinprecht '14, USA (field hockey)
Katie Reinprecht '13, USA (field hockey)
Susannah Scanlan '14, USA (fencing, women’s epee)
Gevvie Stone '07, USA (rowing, women’s single sculls)
Soren Thompson '05, USA (fencing, men’s epee)
Lauren Wilkinson '11, Canada (rowing, women’s eight)</p>

<p>Yale (6)
Ashley Brzozowicz '04, Canada (rowing, women’s eight)
Charlie Cole '07, USA (rowing, men’s four)
Tess Gerrand '10, Australia (rowing, women’s eight)
Sarah Lihan '10, USA (women’s sailing)
Stu McNay '05, USA (men’s sailing)
Taylor Ritzel '10, USA (rowing, women’s eight)</p>

<p>ALTERNATES
Princeton (2)
Michelle Cesan '14, USA (field hockey alternate)
Ashley Higginson '11, USA (women’s track & field, steeplechase alternate)</p>

<p>Yale (1)
Jamie Redman '10, USA (rowing spare)</p>

<p>COACHES
Brown
Alum Jimmy Pedro '94, USA (judo)</p>

<p>Columbia
Fencing head coach Michael Aufrichtig, USA (modern pentathlon, fencing portion)
Former wrestler David Barry, USA (Team Leader, greco-roman wrestling)
Field hockey assistant coach Caroline Nichols, USA (field hockey player)</p>

<p>Cornell
Men’s track & field head coach Nathan Taylor, Virgin Islands (track & field head coach)
Alum Dan Fronhofer '04, USA (men’s rowing coaching staff)</p>

<p>Harvard
Men’s swimming & diving head coach Tim Murphy, USA (open water swim coach)</p>

<p>Penn
Alum Brandon Slay '98, USA (wrestling coaching staff)</p>

<p>Princeton
Field hockey assistant coach Nate Franks '07, USA (field hockey coaching staff)</p>

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<p>bclintonk,
no sour grape. just found the debate interesting. this could apply to others such as Nobel winners, etc. ;)</p>

<p>As for whether he audited classes or took them for credits/grades, there’s almost no reporting on that. This one comes the closest:
[Colleen</a> Thomas: Michael Phelps ? gold, but not maize - The Michigan Daily](<a href=“Colleen Thomas: Michael Phelps — gold, but not maize”>Colleen Thomas: Michael Phelps — gold, but not maize)

That suggests to me Michael didn’t really spend much time on his classes. That would be consistent with the saying that he merely audited classes and the number of classes were limited, perhaps only a few. It’s also consistent why there’s no reporting about his academic life - there’s nothing to report if the subject matter doesn’t even exist.</p>

<p>Or let’s speculate from the other angle. If Michael Phelps were to take classes for grades like everyone else at Michigan, even on a part-time basis, you’d think the Michigan student reporters would have done more reporting on his “student life”, his GPA, etc at Michigan, from interviewing Michael himself or his “classmates”, etc.</p>

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<p>I have no knowledge about Phelps’s college status one way or the other. But I don’t think you can use lack of reporting about it to be conclusive or even suggestive. Or as the saying goes “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” </p>

<p>I mean what was Natalie Coghlan’s GPA at Cal or Rebecca Soni’s GPA at USC? Those kinds of details usually don’t get reported unless the detail itself is remarkable - say the athlete wins some sort of top-GPA award or something similar.</p>

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<p>^coureur,
I agree with the saying that “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”. But we have to start somewhere and which position is the more plausible as the starting point and which side has more of the burden of proof?</p>

<p>There’s almost no report on his academics, other than what one Michigan Daily reporter called “brief sting”. I don’t think one’d use that description if he continuously took classes, even only just one at a time.</p>

<p>Actually, I just found more info to further support the absence position:
[Biography</a> Of Michael Phelps | Wakish Wonderz](<a href=“http://wakish.info/biography-of-michael-phelps/]Biography”>http://wakish.info/biography-of-michael-phelps/)
Michael’s HS GPA was 2.3 and he struggled at a semi-competitive HS. It seems reasonable to assume he’d struggle/fail if he took classes at one of the top universities in the US for real, which makes the saying that he only audited classes more plausible.</p>

<p>They do report academics about athletes.<br>
<a href=“http://natalie-coughlin-um.blogspot.com/[/url]”>http://natalie-coughlin-um.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/swimming/story/2012-06-24/missy-franklin-olympic-trials/55796872/1[/url]”>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/swimming/story/2012-06-24/missy-franklin-olympic-trials/55796872/1&lt;/a&gt;
I personally think balancing between Michigan classes and training itself would have been enough to write home about, even without revealing any GPA.</p>

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<p>As long as UCB does not claim the entire USA Olympic team, all is well. </p>

<p>Watch him claim Missy Franklin in 2016! Unless, she decides to attend Georgia! :)</p>

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<p>Who cares guys? The only sports that matter are Basketball and Football anyway.:slight_smile: At least in college hehe.</p>

<p>If I were a Michigan Alum, I would be worried if Michigan can lose to Alabama in September at Cowboys Stadium by less points than there are posts in this thread (52). Any takers on that bet?</p>

<p>If I were a Cal Alum, I would be more worried about making a bowl game this year.</p>

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<p>I just hope that the entire stadium roots for the Wolverines.</p>

<p>As far as Cal, every team in its division starts with an equal chance. They do not seem better or worse than previous years.</p>

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<p>^ Playing in a renovated Memorial Stadium too!
Go BEARS!!!</p>

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<p>xiggi,</p>

<p>If Missy Franklin decides to turn pro, NCAA swimming would no longer be a factor. She may then choose schools like Stanford.</p>

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<p>goldenboy,</p>

<p>I’d be glad to see Alabama lose. I don’t think you’d find many SEC fans here.</p>

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<p>The Stanford option pretty much died with the retirement of the Stanford coach. She also seens to have scratched Austin. She probably will be a Golden Bear next year.</p>

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<p>“If I were a Michigan Alum, I would be worried if Michigan can lose to Alabama in September at Cowboys Stadium by less points than there are posts in this thread (52). Any takers on that bet?”</p>

<p>So you expect Michigan to lose by more than 7 touchdowns goldenboy? You really are ridiculous.</p>

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<p>I don’t really know where this belongs, so I’m just gonna drop it in here:
[Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities | ARWU | First World University Ranking | Shanghai Ranking](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/)</p>