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Clarke Kerr is from Berkeley, no?
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<p>Guilty as charged ;)</p>
<p>The athletic dorm is actually called Clarke Kerr</p>
<p>yea he was the chancellor of Berkeley at one point and later the whole UC system.</p>
<p>My list:</p>
<p>tier 1: Berkeley, Stanford, Harvard</p>
<p>tier 2: MIT, Caltech, Princeton</p>
<p>tier 3: Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Yale, Penn, Michigan, UCLA, UC Sandiego, UIUC, Wisconsin,</p>
<p>1 Stanford University
2 University of California-Berkeley
3 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
4 Cornell University
5 University of Wisconsin-Madison
6 University of California-Los Angeles
7 University of Texas-Austin
8 Columbia University
9 University of Pennsylvania
9 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
9 University of Washington
12 Harvard University
13 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities
14 Princeton University
15 University of Chicago
16 Yale University
17 Ohio State University
18 Duke University
18 Johns Hopkins University
20 Pennsylvania State University</p>
<p>^Ha! That's soooo funny. Texas above Harvard...hilarious.</p>
<p>good ole George Dubya will be proud!</p>
<p>except that George Dubya was rejected by UT law before going to Harvard for his MBA</p>
<p>I posted this in another thread...</p>
<p>Grad programs from 2009 USNWR rankings in the following 14 major categories:
business, law, medicine, engineering, biological sciences, chemistry, math, physics, economics, English, history, political science, psychology, and sociology:</p>
<p>No. of programs in top 10 (1-10)/top 20(11-20)/top 30(21-30)
1. Stanford 14-0-0 (14)
2. Harvard 13-0-1 (14)
3. Berkeley 13-0-0 (13)
4. Yale 9-4-0 (13)
5. Chicago 9-3-1 (13)
6. Princeton 8-3-0 (11)
7. MIT 8-1-0 (9)
8. Michigan 7-7-0 (14)
9. Columbia 6-7-1 (14)
10. UCLA 6-7-0 (13)
11. Penn 6-5-3 (14)
12. Caltech 5-0-0 (5)
13. Cornell 4-10-0 (14)
14. Northwestern 4-6-4 (14)
15. Illinois 4-2-5 (11)
16. Johns Hopkins 4-1-5 (10)
17. Wisconsin 3-8-2 (13)
18. Duke 2-6-4 (12)
19. WUSTL 2-2-1 (5)
20. NYU 2-1-3 (6)
21. Virginia 1-3-3 (7)
22. UNC 1-6-4 (11)
23. USC 1-1-1 (3)
24. Texas 0-9-3 (12)
25. Vanderbilt 0-2-2 (4)
26. Emory 0-1-5 (6)
27. Georgetown 0-1-1 (2)
28. Rice 0-0-4 (4)
29. Notre Dame 0-0-1 (1)</p>
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<li>Note some other top publics, such as Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Penn State, and Florida may beat out the lower privates on this list.</li>
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<p>Berkeley looked at the rankings from average PA scores for PhD programs:</p>
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<li>Berkeley - 4.8</li>
<li>Stanford - 4.8</li>
<li>MIT - 4.8 </li>
<li>Princeton - 4.6</li>
<li>Harvard - 4.6 </li>
<li>Yale - 4.4</li>
<li>Michigan - 4.4</li>
<li>Wisconsin - 4.3</li>
<li>Chicago - 4.3 </li>
<li>Cornell - 4.3</li>
<li>Columbia - 4.3 </li>
<li>UCLA - 4.2 </li>
<li>Texas - 4.0</li>
</ol>
<p>and professional schools by mean rank:
1. Stanford - 1.8
2. Berkeley - 5.0
3. Michigan - 6.4
4. Harvard - 7.0
5. Northwestern - 12.3
6. Columbia - 12.6
7. Duke - 13.0
8. Texas - 13.2
9. NYU - 14.5
10. UCLA - 14.6
11. Wisconsin - 15.2
12. Virginia - 16.5
12. Illinois - 16.5
14. Indiana - 17.3
15. Pennsylvania - 18.6</p>
<p>(note: Berkeley conveniently excluded medical schools, because it doesn't have one)</p>
<p>^Lol, I wonder how it would've been if med schools had been included. Nonetheless, those lists still look pretty good, particularly your list in post #28.</p>
<p>where is chicago for professional schools? top 5 business and law in the country.</p>
<p>Yeah, Berkeley's choice of professional schools sorta skews the ranking. E.g., Penn's business and med schools are both top 5, its law school is top 10, and its education school is #12, but its mean ranking is #15 because of its #28 engineering school and its #42 public affairs program, which is small and marginal and isn't even a full-fledged program. If they instead had included Penn's graduate professional programs in medicine (top 5), veterinary medicine (top 5), nursing (top 5), communications (top 5), dentistry (top 10), architecture (top 10), and social work (#14), Penn's ranking obviously would have been significantly higher.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I honestly think that the Ivies are overrated for graduate programs (and UG programs, too). I might even venture to say that, in the area of public policy, for example, schools like Syracuse, UMich, and U of Chicago are better than or as good as the Ivies.</p>
<p>yea seriously chem grad, wheres chicago.</p>
<p>^ If you look at the averages Berkeley took for professional schools, it says it only included schools with 4 or more programs in the following categories: business, education, engineering, law, and public affairs. </p>
<p>Chicago may have been left out in Berkeley's ranking because it didn't have enough professional schools. Chicago does well in the PhD ranking.</p>
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I imagine you can slice and dice the rankings any which way to make a certain school look better (like Berkeley did). Penn and Chicago have fantastic programs no doubt. If I was studying business, Wharton would be a top choice...if I was studying economics, Chicago would be my top choice.</p>
<p>^ I liked the composite NRC ranking lists Berkeley had on its web site until recently. It appears that it took those down in preparation for the new NRC rankings currently promised for September (and because the old ones were getting a bit stale).</p>
<p>Wait, Penn has a "public affairs" program? They're not counting Fels, are they? Oh my god, what horsepoopie</p>
<p>^ Yep, Fels it is. Not exactly on the scale of the Kennedy or Maxwell Schools.</p>
<p>Graduate schools are way too specialized to be rated all at once. It would be wise to compartmentalize a little. </p>
<p>GRADUATE PROFESSIONAL PROGRAMS (including Business, Engineering, Law, Medicine, Public Affairs):
1. Harvard University
1. Stanford University
3. Columbia University
3. University of California-Berkeley
3. University of Chicago
3. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
3. University of Pennsylvania
8. Cornell University
8. Duke University
8. Northwestern University
8. University of California-Los Angeles
8. Yale University
13. New York University
13. University of Texas-Austin
13. University of Virginia</p>
<p>LIFE/NATURAL SCIENCES (includes Biology, Chemistry and Geology/Earth Sciences):
1. California Institute of Technology
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
1. Stanford University
1. University of California-Berkeley
5. Harvard University
6. Columbia University
6. Cornell University
6. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
6. University of Wisconsin-Madison
6. Yale University
11. Princeton University
12. University of California-Los Angeles
12. University of Chicago
12. University of Texas-Austin
15. University of California-San Diego
15. University of Washington
15. Washington University-St Louis</p>
<p>PHYSICAL SCIENCES (includes Computer Science, Math, Physics):
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
1. Stanford University
3. University of California-Berkeley
4. Princeton University
5. California Institute of Technology
5. Harvard University
5. University of Chicago
8. Cornell University
9. Columbia University
9. University of California-Los Angeles
9. University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
9. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
9. University of Wisconsin-Madison
9. University of Texas-Austin
9. Yale University</p>
<p>SOCIAL SCIENCES (includes Anthropology, Economics, Politicsl Science, Psychology and Sociology):
1. Harvard University
1. Stanford University
1. University of Califorfnia-Berkeley
4. Princeton University
4. University of Chicago
4. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
7. Yale University
8. Columbia University
8. University of California-Los Angeles
8. University of Wisconsin-Madison
11. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
11. Northwestern University
11. University of Pennsylvania
14. Cornell University
14. Duke University</p>
<p>HUMANITIES (Classics, English, History, Philosophy):
1. Harvard University
1. Princeton University
1. University of California-Berkeley
1. Yale University
5. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
7. Columbia University
7. Cornell University
7. Johns Hopkins University
7. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
11. University of California-Los Angeles
12. University of Pennsylvania
13. Brown University
13. Duke University
13. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
13. University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>^ Looks good to me.</p>