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<p>HYPSMC + 5 other ivies + U Chicago + Northwestern + WUSTL + Duke + Berkeley + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona (not necessarily in order)</p>

<p>well i think ivies and stanford, mit, caltech, and U Chicago are at the first tier;
then NU, WU, Duke, Berkeley;
and then emory, vandy, rice, gtown, tufts, Umich, UVa, UCLA etc.</p>

<p>LACs are different. Pomona is my favorite, but from the stats I can tell WAS are usually the tops.</p>

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<p>You’re so demanding. :p</p>

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<p>^^^You elevate all ivies too much. Not all are at the very top.</p>

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<p>Can someone remind me, once again, why the general public thinks Georgetown is better than it is.</p>

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<ol>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
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<p>^ lol do you go to Northwestern? and Wash U hata lol.</p>

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<p>UCBChemEGrad: I completely agree. It’s too bad that all of the kids here directly translate high CollegeBoard SAT percentages and low acceptance rates into academic prestige. Prestige is derived from the top-down, not the bottom up.</p>

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<p>^^^It’s not just the kids…</p>

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<p>“Only taking into consideration the academic qualifications of undergrads is to ignore a huge portion of what makes up a university…namely the faculty. Let’s have a billionaire start up a school with a couple faculty, enroll a few 1600 SATers and we’re well on our way to achieving high ranking in USNWR metric.”</p>

<p>This is why IMHO that the PA scores are the most important numbers at USNWR. It’s about the only metric that cannot be easily manipulated and really shows where the true prestige and overall quality of a where a university stands.</p>

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<p>Which does not belong? (Looks like someone isn’t being very “objective.”)</p>

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<p>^ A survey of ~2,000 academics think Berkeley is #6. But it’s all subjective.</p>

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<p>Those scoundrels don’t bother to distinguish between a school’s graduate programs and its undergraduate programs.</p>

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<p>^ Sure they do…if they were ranking Berkeley’s grad programs, we’d be #1 or #2. ;)</p>

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<p>I don’t know if this is necessarily true. IIRC, Brown and Dartmouth have similar PAs to Cornell and Penn.</p>

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<p>^ Brown and Dartmouth are in the Ivy League. They inevitably have high P.A. scores.</p>

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<p>Perhaps, but it’s clear the academics are looking at undergraduate programs. Otherwise, we’d see a greater disparity in PAs between (the non-HYP) ivies with stronger vs. weaker graduate programs.</p>

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<p>@UCBChemEGrad, just curious, could you share the link to the survey? I am really want to see it. Thanks</p>

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<p>^ Here you go (It’s the USNWR peer assessment score):
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/797962-college-comparison-xxii-usnwr-peer-assessment-ratings.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/797962-college-comparison-xxii-usnwr-peer-assessment-ratings.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Combine the national privates with the national publics for the full list.</p>

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<p>^^^ Thanks for sharing. :-)</p>

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<p>Georgetown is outstanding in one field (foreign service / international relations) and fine but not outstanding in most of the others. It’s angular. Frankly, it’s no different from MIT which is outstanding in science / engineering and fine but not outstanding in most humanities areas. If you’re going to pose that question for Georgetown, then you should equally pose it for MIT.</p>