Top 8 Reasons Not to Go to Berkeley

<p>Erm...CardinalFocused, no offense, but why'd you dig up this old fossil again? I could only get through the first 17 pages or so before I gave up.</p>

<p>For those who are not in the know (and don't want to spend half an hour reading this thread), sakky is a well-written, intelligent (and prolific) poster who occasionally tries a little too hard on his crusade to convince everyone that Berkeley undergrad isn't all that hot. While his single-minded insistence on the matter somewhat baffles me, he does back up his points thoughtfully, a rarity in Internet posting.</p>

<p>There are plenty of good reasons not to go to any college, be it Berkeley or Stanford or Harvard or Cape Cod Community College. If the college experience were perfect at any one college, no one would apply anywhere else. So a long time ago, I decided to look at colleges holistically: instead of finding attributes that were lacking or deficient, I looked for the things that I find appealing in a college. That led me to Berkeley, and I could not be happier.</p>

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For those who are not in the know (and don't want to spend half an hour reading this thread), sakky is a well-written, intelligent (and prolific) poster who occasionally tries a little too hard on his crusade to convince everyone that Berkeley undergrad isn't all that hot. While his single-minded insistence on the matter somewhat baffles me, he does back up his points thoughtfully, a rarity in Internet posting

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<p>Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's 'not that hot', as Berkeley is clearly hotter than the vast majority of other schools out there (for the vast majority of schools are no-name schools). What I would say is that Berkeley has some problems, and prospective students should know about those problems before they decide to come. I believe in truth-in-advertising. People should know what they are getting themselves into.</p>

<p>I think the problem that most people have is that they read into sakky's posts and see a vehemence that simply isn't there.</p>

<p>To be honest, I really did want to see both sides argue some more. Idk, in a wierd way, this thread helped me in my decision to choose UCB over UCLA. And I get a clearer picture of what to expect as both sides of the coin go about trying to prove their argument...Its like watching a epic CC war unfold before my eyes so its quite entertaining as well.</p>

<p>CardinalFocused, I'm glad this thread helped you, but I think it annoyed many, and many, including myself, wished you didn't revive it. C'est la vie, and here it is again. I think anything worthwhile the op produced was talked to death, and everything else continues elsewhere.</p>

<p>Hm, interestingly it's been quite awhile ago that there was a debate/discussion between UCB and UCLA. The comparision seems to have "upgraded" to a comparision between UCB and highly ranked private universities.</p>

<p>What are you trying to say?</p>

<p>Necroposting FTL.</p>

<p>FTL!!!</p>

<p>I'm probably going to go to Berkeley. I'm deciding between NYU, Berkeley, and UCLA. </p>

<p>And I have to say that I was really excited before but I don't even know what I think now, because there seems to be so much negativity here about Berkeley. The thing is though, I didn't get into Yale or Brown and I didn't apply to places like Cornell or Dartmouth or Duke so I don't have much of an option, and now it seems I should have applied to private schools where I could have gotten in instead of just reach schools.</p>

<p>This thread sucks, but alas you resurrected it. I REALLY hope it dies again after this post.</p>

<p>It's pretty clear that significantly less than a quarter of a percentage of Berkeley students post on cc. Why is it that we should assume those that people that post represent student's feelings of Berkeley in any significant way? I know plenty of very happy people here who would not think for a second of wasting their time on a place like this. You can also find some posters here who are clearly extremely happy with their experiences and basically everything about Berkeley. </p>

<p>Something about humans makes us focus on the negative, whatever it is. Unhappy people are far more vocal as reading this thread can show. Happy people just have less to say- being satisfied seems pretty trivial once you've said all the things you liked. People who are reporting something negative seem, in my opinion, more inclined to elaborate about it and repeat themselves over and over again. I think this is true of things like cc. </p>

<p>You see a vocal minority. They are loud. I think they have some right to complain about some of the things they complain about. But they (or we, as I'm probably a member of it to some extent) do go on, and some are generally unreasonable (and this is pretty clear to me). Now, some of the people who support everything Berkeley does are also unreasonable- heck, if they do support everything, I think they are probably unreasonable. But whatever. Don't let this thread, or this forum, or anything but talking to as many students as possible who you think are very similar to you sway you. That is all.</p>

<p>RIP thread.</p>

<p>I love Berkeley. Go Bears!</p>

<p>Oh for the love of God, why did you do that? …QUICK! SOMEONE GET THE ZOMBIE SHOTGUN!</p>

<p>Seriously bonpham? Did you not see that the last post on this thread was from 2007? </p>

<p>@andrewtdx: You get the shotgun… I’ll man the chainsaw!</p>

<p>he’s new…can’t blame him</p>

<p>Yeah! Go Bears!</p>

<p>andrewtdx, do you still lurk the forums or what?</p>

<p>I still like to answer questions from time to time, so yes. Also, was looking for grad school info and I thought to look around. And I got curious. Heh.</p>

<p>Also: <em>uses a flamethrower on the zombie thread</em></p>

<p>Wow thank you. Very interesting thread</p>

<p>Sad and bitter. But in an open disccusion, it’s good to be able to put anything and everything out there.</p>

<p>The OP is long gone. I hope he went to Stanford graduate school or maybe Harvard, where he held his nose up in the air and breathed the money-soaked vapors.</p>

<p>The UC campuses are what you make of them. I know too many Berkeley grads who are brilliant, who went on to do great things, to take the rants here seriously.</p>

<p>You can be one of them, or one of the snooty whiners above. Your choice.</p>

<p>1)Yes, Berkeley’s tuition is rising and for OOS it is just the same as a private university. However tuition increase is the same at all other schools. NYU jumped to $60,000+ this year and USC $58,000. I’m from California and got great finaid which covers almost my entire tuition so for me, it’s worth it. For OOS’ers, it may not be as great of a deal though. </p>

<p>2) A social environment isn’t defined by the clubs. Personally, I know that I don’t pick a school based on how many clubs their are. If you’re a social person, you will always have a social environment. If you’re passive in your socializing, meaning that you wait for people or events to come to you or you rely on a club for your fun, then obviously your social environment will not be as fun. Berkeley is a HUGE school and you can’t generalize it by saying nobody likes to have fun because most do. </p>

<p>3) Yes, it is true that Berkeley has some huge classes. This is mostly in introductory/prereq courses. Huge upper division classes would only be the ones that are major requirements. In these type of classes, students don’t take them to get to know the professor or have a personal environment, they take them because they are REQUIRED. No matter if you’re at a private, public, LAC, or research school unless you are active in going to your professor’s office hours then you will never have a personal relationship with your professor! It is your own fault if you aren’t active in your education. And as far as “boring” classes EVERY college has boring classes, to say that this is only true at Berkeley is a false generalization. Berkeley has SO many classes, it’s is your duty as a student to go on websites like courserank.com and figure out which fulfill your interests. </p>

<p>4) Every college has idiots. Period. And as far as this person’s statement about how the poor quality of peers is defined by people asking dumb questions, I would like to refute this idiocy because clearly this individual was looking for any reason to speak poorly about UCB. Asking questions means you are being active in your learning. Learning isn’t a race. Also, I feel like there is an unfair stigma attached to Berkeley, which is that every student has to be a genius or something. I think most of you will be pleasantly surprised to find out that many of us are completely normal. Yes, Cal has a high drop out rate, hence the purpose of Spring Admits. Who cares? They couldn’t handle it, it’s better for you anyways. </p>

<p>5) I will agree that opportunities at Cal are narrower than at some other schools for students who aren’t math/science/engineering/haas majors. There are just so many students and so little internships. The good thing though is that going to Berkeley really does help get your foot in. The name Berkeley won’t land you a job but it will help get you an interview, then it’s on you. Many people think that the professors are cold and busy and DGAF about you. Not true. The great thing about Cal is that it is a research school, which means the professors are active in their field! Go to the professors you like and ask them if they’re looking for interns. I went to one of my art history professors this year and was like, “hey, need any free labor?!” and instantly got a summer job. This isn’t true for all professors, but it is true for many. </p>

<p>6) Again, all schools have bad professors. I would say though that the level of Berkeley professors is much higher than other schools! The fact that they are research professors is a positive not a negative. It means they are interested in their subject and looking for interns! On the other hand, you have to understand that Berkeley is a very liberal institution and so their own personal politics will be VERY present. There are PLENTY of classes that aren’t very hard and, like I said before, it’s your duty to look for those. I took Film as my R+C req, Nutrition (SUCH AN EASY CLASS!!!) for my bio req, Physics for Future Presidents (easy, fun, and athletes take it!) for my physics req, and will never have to take a single math class! The level of difficulty is truly synonymous to what your major is.</p>

<p>7) You’re living in the Bay Area, air conditioning would only be necessary like twice a year! You want to hear about crappy housing? USC, which is located in LA in the blistering heat, has NO AIR CONDITIONING in their dorms, which are run down and dirty. I am using USC as an example because it is a private and extremely expensive university that offers some of the best resources for students. NYU only has 3 dorms that offer air conditioning. Also, like I said before, Berkeley is located in the BAY AREA, which has some of the most expensive housing in the country. As far as off campus housing goes, I live in a co-op two blocks away from campus, it is cheaper than the dorms, and it includes utilities and food. </p>

<p>8)This entire statement about not having dead days is just false, I always had at least 4 days of review. But then again, this depends on your professor. Some just continue teaching as long as they can. Yes, libraries aren’t open 24/7, which sucks!! But personally, I’ve never been in the library past like 11:30. </p>

<p>9) Okay so this last statement truly represents who the author of this post is. He is a student who doesn’t like to have fun and relax. Dorms are where you are allowed to play music!</p>